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Don't underestimate the cold. 31y/o woman died from the cold this week in Zion.

Sometimes when I follow ultralight gear threads, (not necessarily on this forum), I am concerned with how light some people go. Sometimes it is acceptable, but a miscalculation in conditions can really go bad.

I'd be curious to know just what kind of gear this couple was relying on in high altitude desert this time of year.

https://www.fox13now.com/news/local...band-rescued-after-suffering-hypothermia

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It’s obvious they grossly underestimated and were wholly unprepared for what was moderately cold temps. It was in the mid 20’s at worst, even down in the canyon they were in. Any halfway decent 40 degree sleeping bag with their clothes on, inside a tent without a ton of mesh, would keep a person plumb toasty.

This summer some people outside of Aspen backpacked up near timberline in what appeared to be cotton t-shirts and jeans during a cool, rainy week and had to be rescued. Their excuse was “It wasn’t this cold when we left Texas”.

I continually see people during spring, summer, and fall 3 miles in on hiking trails with nothing more than shorts, synthetic t-shirt and a water bottle—and of course a cell phone.

Being wholly unprepared for when things don’t go according to plan helps improve the species…..


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Then there's food. for an overnighter in the cold, a couple granola bars don't cut it. Couple that with inadequate thermal gear, and you're in trouble.

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People are impressive and as stated it doesn't even take really cold weather to kill you. I have hiked, game always involved, wearing lightweight stuff, but I have fleece/wool in the pack to change to when things slow down.

Cotton is a killer for sure.


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Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
Then there's food. for an overnighter in the cold, a couple granola bars don't cut it. Couple that with inadequate thermal gear, and you're in trouble.

Spot on. Couple granola bars per hour maybe.


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The Zion Narrows is a classic canyoneering route that often requires partial immersion in the river. There is a ton of info available on gear requirements for different conditions but getting wet often is a game changer at this time of year. Mother Nature doesn't care so doing your homework prior to "adventuring" is probably a good idea.


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Tough deal. Be nice to get some more details for sure.

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Likely no ability to ignite a fire.

Earlier this fall a couple fishermen planned a day long, 5-mile downstream venture. About five as the crow flies, but about 17 as the river meanders. They endured a cold night, and were found about 5 miles down their planned run late the next afternoon. No food and no fire made for a couple of really grouchy anglers.

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Some of these places now prohibit making a fire on the ground. That would likely let some decide not to bring along any fire-starting kit.

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Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
Some of these places now prohibit making a fire on the ground. That would likely let some decide not to bring along any fire-starting kit.


You're probably right but not if they actually thought about why fire starting materials should be part of emergency gear. I remember many years ago I bought an "Outside" magazine to read on an airplane. They had an article on what to do if you get hypothermic, and they actually said you should start a fire but keep the twigs to pencil-sized or less to lessen impacts on the environment. I sent them a letter to the editor telling them they needed to retract/correct that, becuase if people get hypothermic all that BS goes out the window. They never responded, I'm sure they didn't run the letter.



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When you're getting hypothermic, twigs are BS. They don't warm up anything. You want an inferno and you NEED it now. Make it big enough so they send in the fire fighting crews. Better yet, build 2 infernos and sit between them. Screw the greenies. They're idiots.


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I’ve been in plenty of survival classes over the years where hypothermia deaths are talked about. And what the rescuers typically find. They either were completely underdressed and had zero knowledge or there might be more to the story.

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Always take extra clothes that you don't need.

Canyoneering seems to be needing some sort of wet/dry suit and a puffy.


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