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Originally Posted by gunner500
... Speaking of dragging, mountain hunting a 458 is much easier than throwing on at least 8 ricks of firewood, had 2 rick on the pickup alone, and at least 6 on the little 20' bumper pull utility trailer, i was beat this time yesterday evening LOL, this wood is what i cut, split and piled on the hill to dry last July, the old Cow Killer red oak along with a few water oak and hickory are seasoned up and ready to keep that cold natured chicken i live with warm all winter, probably 4 rick left to load ...
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Originally Posted by CZ550
Sirs;

We're getting hammered with a snowstorm, and it's not even winter yet, so says the calendar! Upper New York State and Southern Ontario got hit yesterday with the worst on record = 6 feet in Buffalo! My .458 (Grace) is tucked away in a nice warm place and will not likely see action until April, if this kind of weather keeps on till then!

But I can always load up some more!

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Dang !
Where is global warming when you need it ?
Sir Bob, Sir Roo, Sir Allen, Sir Dennis:

Whenever you get a chance, let'er rip.
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Is there an equal to the 404 grain Shock Hammer as an all round bullet for the 458 Win on dangerous game?

I think not



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In preparation, I did go out and put 5 485's in one big hole at 50 yards over my sticks. Was nice to see them landing right where they are supposed to be so I can snipe at 250 should the need arise as it did at Sir Ron's hunt. On a less windy day, we will repeat at 200 to confirm Zero. Here on the Great Plains, one hunting the woods can still be presented the need to reach out and touch a further target on any given day. I never worry about that though as the old girl has not let me down yet.
Opening day hunt has been scheduled on Public hunting grounds with ground that benefits a longer rifle so the Whitworth will be standing duty on the private farm and woods lands later in the week. I have one spot that is pretty dense, hard to hunt that others don't like so I get the run of it.
Looking at retirement early 2023 and I have vacation to use in 2022 so I took the whole Deer season off. Still have to go to a leaders meeting on one day but; looking at a lot of woods and prairie walking!!
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Originally Posted by jwp475
Is there an equal to the 404 grain Shock Hammer as an all round bullet for the 458 Win on dangerous game?

I think not

The 404 Hammer with its bc and performance caused me to knock the dust of my 458.

I always thought the 400 grain weight range was ideal for North America. But, the available bullets were lacking bc. The 404 Hammer provided the bc and performance regardless of continent.

The bullet without borders.

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; ] thanks Sir Ron, this is just one small project i've been trying to get caught back up on after Safari, i welded in a new 14 gauge metal floor, bought 4 new tires, welded on chain on back ramps, safety chains on front, welded pin loops from a piece of pipe for more ramp security, removed then straightened crossbar at the back the ramps roll on, a new hitch jack was installed, rewired the whole thing complete with new tail lights...................dang, that work done now i get to go load the damn thing LOL!

All good and thanks for posting the pic.

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Now you have a trailer to bring home the dead deer next time you go out.
Next time I go out a Jet Sled will do for me.


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Well, I managed to do the bullet tests today. Most of it went quite well. Cloudy with temp at +1C. About 3 - 4" snow on ground. Will send some pics to Sir Ron later. Black aiming dots (black marker) on end of box looked like the five on dice. Range to box = 10 ft. Box length = 19". Total weight = 50 lbs. Fired in this order:

1st center dot - 250gr MonoFlex/ 2685 fps/ Penetration = 4"/ expansion 0.8"/ wt retained = 235gr - 94%

2nd dot bottom left = 600gr BO/missed box low , knew it would shoot a bit low because sighted for the 250 MF, but also the separation between bore and scope.

3rd dot upper left - 550 Woodleigh/ 1685 fps/ Penetration = 5"/ expansion .82"/ wt retained = 351gr - 64% (There were 2 small pieces next to the bullet. Total = 429 grs.

4th dot upper right - 500gr Hor DGX/ 1850 fps/ Penetration = 8"/ expansion = .72"/ weight retained 314.5gr = 63%.

5th dot lower right - 450gr AF/ 1925 fps/ Penetration = 6"/ expansion .675"/ weight retained = 286.5"/ 64%.

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Just a couple quick remarks here:

Those magazines were wedged in place; glossy covers and pages, like bone. I'd multiply the penetration in flesh and bone by 7 to 10. As expected, the 500 Hornady DGX out-penetrated the others by 2 to 3 inches and cracked and bulged magazines al least a couple inches beyond that. But it didn't begin to expand until penetration was 2.5 - 3".

And I was impressed with the "little" 250gr MonoFlex, it was flattened but retained nearly all it weight (even to some of the red plastic point).

The last magazine with a clear penetration of about 1" in diameter was by the Hornady, and the others hadn't even shown a dent in it.

Some pics tomorrow to Sir Ron if he wants to put some up here.

Thanks Sir Ron!

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Sir Bob,
That is a tough impact medium for sure.
Tougher than a 5000- to 10,000-pound dinosaur !
Ranked by ascending momentum:

250-gr Monoflex X 2685 fps = 95.9 lbs*fps momentum
4" depth
94% wt. ret.
174% diam.

450-gr A-Frame X 1925 fps = 123.8 lbs*fps momentum
6" depth
64% wt. ret.
147% diam.

500-gr DGX-Bnd X 1850 fps = 132.1 lbs*fps momentum
8" depth
63% wt. ret.
157% diam.

550-gr WeldCore X 1685 fps = 132.4 lbs *fps momentum
5" depth
64% wt. ret.
179% diam.

Obviously, the 500-gr DGX-Bonded would be the most devastating on the biggest of game.
That 250-gr Monoflex with 94% weight retention at such high speed is mighty impressive,
impressive expansion too.
Half the weight and half the penetration but wider wound channel.
That is going to leave a mark inside of the animal yet not on the shooter's shoulder.

Yep, pics would be interesting.
Happy to post pics if you want them in a gallery here at 24hr.


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Sir Ron,

I thought: "Pics might amplify, clarify data.

Sent them yesterday but returned to me with message: MAIL couldn't find address! So, unless you've changed your email...? Email me if you need or want to. Thanks. Or did I make a mistake? It was checked twice...

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And, BTW, thanks for that analysis... well done Sir Ron!

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Sir Bob,

Yes, "A picture is worth a thousand words" is a cliche that started circling the globe about 1920,
according to my source.
Strange that you got bounced from my email box, always worked for you before.
Maybe it was some interference from the Democraps: They are always first on the suspect list as culprits for anything undesirable.
Or maybe the files were too large ?
Try emailing them one at a time,
if that does not work then reduce file size.
The gallery here has a 2 MB size limit on images to upload.
PM-ing my email address to you now.


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What rifle chambering offers the best in practicality in the coming years ?
With the Democraps doing a bang-up job running the supply chain,
we may have to get back to paper-patched cast bullets and making our own black powder at home.
The .458 WinMag cannot be beat for such applications,
as well as being tops with smokeless and jacketed bullets, should any ever get to shelves at your local emporium.
There are more possibilities for making brass from stray H&H-belted cases than with any other all-arounder.
The .458 WinMag is indeed the winner on so many levels.
One thing that bothers me is the primer supply chain, let's go Brandon.

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Sir Bob traps bullets in tough media:

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Any further comments or corrections, if any on some of my add-libbing, will come from Sir Bob.


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A couple of mistakes in ascribing weight % : The Swift AF retained 350 grains = 78%, and the 550 Woodleigh retained only 287 grains = 52%. Depths of penetration and expansion dia. were correct.

Sorry about that error... which got switched somehow in my initial notes. So don't blame Sir Ron!!! He doesn't make mistakes like that! Apologies to him, and many thanks.

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No problemo.
Erroneous info in last part of the pictures post above has/have been deleted.
The corrected info will appear shortly on the recovered bullet pictures,
looking more consistent with the pictures.


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What Sir Bob said:

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Bottom view of same bullets flipped over:

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Thanks again, Sir Ron, your work is greatly appreciated (by all of us).

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