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I was looking at the Hornady 11th edition reloading manual and have a question.

The 458 Winchester, 480 and 500 grain loads:

The 480 shows lesser powder charges than the 500 grain ?
7.2 grains less for Accurate 2230
4.4 grains less for RL-7

I am assuming the 480 has more bullet length inside the brass ??

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That is some really good stuff Sir Bob, have shot hard glossy Wife magazines for years, packed tight in a box like you just did, adding some cattle bones is always a treat and a real test for soft point bullets, as well as straight wound track checking for solids, good work Sir.

Thanks for posting the pics for us Sir Ron.


Sir Larry, yes, the 480's from Hornady are geared more for the 458 cal double rifles and do have more shank in the case, those are the exact bullets i fire in my old Holland double, very thankful for them.


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Thanks Sir Jerry.
I assume that the Lee Factory Crimp could provide for a bit more powder space. If the 20 grain difference in bullet weight would make for any significant velocity gain.

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Review (see page 29 of this thread):

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(Typo below, DGX not GGX. I finally noticed it.):

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Notice that AA-2230 at 78.3 grains (above) gave about same velocity as 77.0 grains of AA-2460 (below),
both loads fired in same rifle. What ?

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Thank you.

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Cannot say that I located the 480 DGX page, yet.

I did have an enjoyable review of MikeMcGuire and AussieGunWriter posts regarding their experiences.

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Originally Posted by ldmay375
Cannot say that I located the 480 DGX page, yet.

I did have an enjoyable review of MikeMcGuire and AussieGunWriter posts regarding their experiences.

Try towards bottom of this page:

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/15694480/29

It is indeed tedious to search here, but when I do I find some chuckles:

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The .458 Winchester Magnum is best.


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Originally Posted by ldmay375
Cannot say that I located the 480 DGX page, yet.

I did have an enjoyable review of MikeMcGuire and AussieGunWriter posts regarding their experiences.

I am sorry Mike doesn't post more here, he is far more knowledgeable than the majority of writers and is an unbelievably accurate shooter I witnessed from the neighboring benches, for several years going back to the late 80's. His experience and understanding of barrels, powders and bedding is staggering by any comparison. He like Ron, has qualified opinion.


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Sir Woods,
Good to see you here, and Sir Mike too, we can only hope.
The .458 WinMag does it all.
Even if they don't let Brandon go free (Let's go Brandon)
we know how to make paper-patched and BP work in the .458 WinMag, if it ever becomes a necessity.
While we can still get smokeless powder, and needing to conserve on premium bullets as inflation turns them into worth their weight in gold,
it would be good to imitate the ballistics with hardcast.
I have never gotten the 400-ish-grainer hardcasts up to 2500 fps,
to see if it is practical regarding accuracy and whatnot for practice and plinking.
I plan to do it from 72.0 to 80.0 grains or more of AA-2230, AA-2460, or H4895 up to 110% compression, whatever it takes ...

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Previous experiments around 2000 to 2200 fps MV with these were excellent, using AA-2495 benchrest powder.


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You should have no problem getting 2500 FPS powder coat is the easy bullion.
It will take a proper lube for a greaset. I would start with LBT Blue, of course the hardness may need to be increased

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Sir Ron,

I am very curious to see what your powder-coated lead experiments turn up. I have not loaded any lead yet in the great .458, and will admit that I don't want to deal with leading. If you can get 2300 or better with no leading, I will have to start using my lead bullets more.

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Originally Posted by SLGPT
Sir Ron,

I am very curious to see what your powder-coated lead experiments turn up. I have not loaded any lead yet in the great .458, and will admit that I don't want to deal with leading. If you can get 2300 or better with no leading, I will have to start using my lead bullets more.


Done correctly 3000 FPS can be obtained with hardcast bullets



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what you need is a long bore riding bullet to achieve accuracy and speed
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with 64 grains of IMR3031 this bullet goes 201/5 fps no leading
the bullet is made of wheel weight. air cool

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I come here occasionally to be reminded of how little I know of the cutting edge of bullet and handloading technology.
Once again , success.

Such visitation does remind me of how little I must know to use the big .458 to slay the most common game here and in Africa.

Good job boys and please keep up the good work.

In the next few weeks, I plan to try my .458 DR and NF bullets on a Texas Zebu and will report on that hunt.


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Thanks to all ye Knights of The Square Table for your interest in fast cast loads.
About any 400- to 600-grain bullet can be used accurately at 1400 fps to 2200 fps,
with no leading noted after 50 rounds,
according to Square Table findings on the .458 WinMag.
Just has to be a .461" diameter bullet for .459"-groove, and properly hard.
Powder-coat paint and gas check ought to seal the deal for 2500 fps.
Will start with the long and pointy 411-grainer and H4895, long COL,
and work my way down to the 407-grainer at 3.260" COL with the AA powders.
The stubby 407-grainer is my favorite.


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Temps in the 40's F and raining all week here.
Might as well do this:

In a question about collector's value for the

GUNS & AMMO ACTION SERIES 1983
Volume 1, Number 1, BIG BORE RIFLES 0-8227-2335-2: Copyright 1983 by Petersen Publishing Company

The legendary wordsmith and professional hunter Phil Shoemaker had this to say:

Originally Posted by 458Win
I have seen them advertised for $250 but don’t know if they ever got that.
It is a very interesting edition as it was Edited and primarily written by Jack Lott and he describes his infamous dustup with a Cape buffalo that tossed him. In it he credits Wally Johnson , using Jack’s 458 Win, for saving his life. He also admits that he gut shot the buffalo and that the 458 Win worked perfectly!
In the second edition, that came out a few years later, Jack was promoting his 458 Lott wildcat and wrote a completely different story !
And years later, in an article published by Wolfe Pub, Jack blamed the 458 Win !

Bravo for that literary gem written as succinctly as if from Ernest Hemingway.

Mozambique, September 18, 1959, along the south bank of the Revui River: A day that will live in infamy.

That 1983 version does indeed have the greatest elaboration of the story about Jack Lott's 1959 adventures with the .458 Winchester Magnum.
An abbreviated version of the truth appeared in THE AMERICAN RIFLEMAN, January 1972.
It was the last two paragraphs of Jack Lott's article "Why Magazine Big-Bore Rifles are Best"
under a subheading: "Injury not always avoidable."

A four-paragraph version of the story also appeared in the 1984, 10th Edition, HANDLOADER'S DIGEST.
The end of that passage says "... In two weeks I was back on safari -- limping and a bit shaky,
but otherwise functional -- with a great interest in rifle power."
Yet Jack Lott hunted Africa again with the .458 WinMag and a .375 H&H each time,
in 1962 (Malawi), and 1963 (Zimbabwe).

It should be mentioned that lack of "rifle power" was not the problem with the .458 Winchester Magnum.
The 500-grain .458 WM solid that Jack fired as his second shot, before being butted and tossed by the buffalo,
was driven too powerfully by the .458 WM factory load.
MV was so high that the steel-jacketed RN FMJ "solid" deformed into a "knoblike mushroom"
that "deflected into the paunch" after it "had struck centrally on the shoulder."
Jack's first bullet, 510-gr factory soft ended up there too ...
"mangled itself into a shapeless blob in the water-logged stomach grass."

Jack gut-shot the buffalo twice, the second time by no fault of his own, just poor bullet construction,
state of the art in commercial ammo of the day.
But if you shoot a buffalo twice in the gut, for whatever reason, he is going to be mad.


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"Pre-Christmas Sale" at B&C ends at midnight today.
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Available for M98 Mausers, Win M70, and CZ 550 Magnum also.


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