24hourcampfire.com
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 1 of 2 1 2
#17852289 11/29/22
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 5,760
338Rem Offline OP
Campfire Tracker
OP Offline
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 5,760
Looking to buy my first Muzzleloader. Input please. Using for deer. Fire away.


When its time to fight, you fight like you are the third monkey on the ramp to get on Noah's Arc... and brother, it is starting to rain!

The chair is against the wall.
BP-B2

Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 6,504
P
Campfire Tracker
Offline
Campfire Tracker
P
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 6,504
in-lines are easier with 209 primers ,but the old Hawkins are kinda fun to play with when its warm


LIFE NRA , we vote Red up here, Norseman
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 13,992
1
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
1
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 13,992
My Hawken went off at -7° for my first muzzleloader kill.

I have both. A kit TC Hawken and a CVA Optima. 2 completely different animals. Patched RB for the Hawken with FF and a copper bullet with 777 or BH209 for the scoped CVA.

Do you have anybody that can help you that is knowledgeable on muzzleloaders?


The last time that bear ate a lawyer he had the runs for 33 days!
Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 17,979
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 17,979
Do you want to use a muzzleloader, or just have extended season opportunities.


If the latter, go smokeless in-line if it's legal.


If the former, sidelock.
Flint is cool, but there is a learning curve and a couple extra handicaps.


Again, just hunting or a challenge?


Where we cling to our God and Guns.

Between Pittsburgh and Philthy. The Alabama part of Pa!
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 5,760
338Rem Offline OP
Campfire Tracker
OP Offline
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 5,760
Extended season.


When its time to fight, you fight like you are the third monkey on the ramp to get on Noah's Arc... and brother, it is starting to rain!

The chair is against the wall.
IC-A B3

Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 13,992
1
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
1
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 13,992
Smokeless in-line if you have the $$

Otherwise a CVA Optima V2 or Accura would be nice.

Open country or woods ranges?


The last time that bear ate a lawyer he had the runs for 33 days!
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 24,816
Campfire Ranger
Online Content
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 24,816
If you don’t want to play frontiersman, and your state doesn’t have any restrictions on bullets, propellants, sights, or ignitions, one of the break-action in-lines is the easy button. If I were going to play in that pool again, I’d start looking at the CVAs. There’s also an American-made model I can’t quite recall that’s very light and handy, and also pretty spendy. One of the YouTube Northwoods deer hunting shows pushes that one.


What fresh Hell is this?
Joined: Dec 2016
Posts: 4,443
D
Campfire Tracker
Offline
Campfire Tracker
D
Joined: Dec 2016
Posts: 4,443
Too many options out there! Lol! All comes down to what "style" interests you and how much $ you want to put into it. Regs will help decide what you'd like where you plan on using it. Here in IL and WI, it only has to be a front stuffer to qualify as a muzzleloader. Any kind of ignition system, scoped, whatever. All good as long as it loads through the muzzle and meets a bore diameter requirement. Been a long time since I hunted MN, no longer remember their regs, my BIL has hunting property over by Askov.

If you could narrow it down some, would/could go a long way with recommendations.


It isn't what happens to you that defines you, it's what you DO about what happens to you that defines you!

NRA life member

Illinois State Rifle Association member
Joined: Feb 2020
Posts: 988
W
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
W
Joined: Feb 2020
Posts: 988
I have always shot flintlocks. And patched roundball. Several years ago PA put in an early doe season for "muzzleloaders" that included in-lines. I never bothered. A good flint, pan filled less than half-way, and it goes off. Rain is problematic. Even snow. In the snow, I don't prime the pan. I insert a wood toothpick into the touch hole and lower the pan. If a shot is about to present itself, I remove the toothpick and prime the pan.
Lewis and Clark covered the entire western half of the country with flintlocks.

Joined: Sep 2021
Posts: 2,074
Z
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
Z
Joined: Sep 2021
Posts: 2,074
I concur a break is definitely the easy button, especially with B209, but you'll likely need the 209 breech plug for good ignition in cold weather.

Cleanup is a breeze with standard solvent with 209, but they have gotten mighty proud of the stuff. Graf has it in stock right now... $67.99 a jug 😬

IC-B B4

Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,595
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,595
Smokeless is the way to go if you're looking for performance and less cleaning. I am not sure but I think the cost per load is less also with Blackhorn being so expensive. Budget is also a factor as a basic CVA can be had for under $300 and a smokeless break action would be about $800 with customs going up from there. The terrain you hunt will also be a factor, I wouldn't go smokeless if I was only shooting out to 200 yds.


"Jerry is dead, Phish suck time to get a job "
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 13,992
1
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
1
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 13,992
Originally Posted by zcm82
I concur a break is definitely the easy button, especially with B209, but you'll likely need the 209 breech plug for good ignition in cold weather.

Cleanup is a breeze with standard solvent with 209, but they have gotten mighty proud of the stuff. Graf has it in stock right now... $67.99 a jug 😬
Why I am burning 777 for now. May pick up some White Hots just to have something on hand should 777 become unobtainable.

Last edited by 10gaugemag; 11/30/22.

The last time that bear ate a lawyer he had the runs for 33 days!
Joined: Sep 2021
Posts: 2,074
Z
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
Z
Joined: Sep 2021
Posts: 2,074
I wouldn't pay $67.99 for it either. I stocked up back when it was $35-40 and that was still a bitter pill to swallow back then. I doubt I'll ever run out, but if I do I'll probably just go back to Swiss or Graf 2F. It shoots fine, I just hate cleaning BP.

Joined: Dec 2016
Posts: 4,443
D
Campfire Tracker
Offline
Campfire Tracker
D
Joined: Dec 2016
Posts: 4,443
All I shoot anymore, Goex FFg and FFFg...


It isn't what happens to you that defines you, it's what you DO about what happens to you that defines you!

NRA life member

Illinois State Rifle Association member
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 18,247
S
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
S
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 18,247
A good starter is a TC Impact. Truthfully about any inline will do the job. More money just means more bells and whistles. My only advice would be to stay away from any that has plastic sights, unless you plan on and it is legal to use a scope.

Last edited by saddlesore; 11/30/22.

If God wanted you to walk and carry things on your back, He would not have invented stirrups and pack saddles
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 5,760
338Rem Offline OP
Campfire Tracker
OP Offline
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 5,760
Thanks for all the input. Gonna pick up a CVA Wolf 2 50 cal.


When its time to fight, you fight like you are the third monkey on the ramp to get on Noah's Arc... and brother, it is starting to rain!

The chair is against the wall.
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 13,992
1
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
1
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 13,992
Originally Posted by 338Rem
Thanks for all the input. Gonna pick up a CVA Wolf 2 50 cal.
Look at Muzzle-Loaders.com

The other day they had the Optima V2 as cheap as the Wolf V2.


The last time that bear ate a lawyer he had the runs for 33 days!
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 469
J
Campfire Member
Offline
Campfire Member
J
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 469
Are there some good books for someone who has never done muzzleloading?

Joined: Dec 2016
Posts: 2,944
R
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
R
Joined: Dec 2016
Posts: 2,944
Originally Posted by Jim585
Are there some good books for someone who has never done muzzleloading?


I had a Lyman black powder book for some years
before I ever owned and shot a muzzleloader.


Pretty informative book with various loads also

Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 24,816
Campfire Ranger
Online Content
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 24,816
The old books have lots of good info pertaining to BP and some of the substitutes. Most of that is “timeless”, so to speak. Help with smokeless might best be acquired from the makers of the conversions.

The current dearth of priming supplies for all methods, is a drag on the whole sport. I’m well-supplied for what I shoot, and also picked up a bunch of BH prior to the crisis. If, as I hope, I can get the Mag Spark to work with it in my Renegade, I’ll have multiple options to get me through this mess.


What fresh Hell is this?
Page 1 of 2 1 2

Moderated by  RickBin 

Link Copied to Clipboard
CTV-TRX
Who's Online Now
521 members (1beaver_shooter, 163bc, 160user, 1911a1, 1lesfox, 10ring1, 47 invisible), 1,321 guests, and 1,012 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
RR2/3-22



 







Fish & Game Departments | Solunar Tables | Mission Statement | Privacy Policy | Contact Us | DMCA
Hunting | Fishing | Camping | Backpacking | Reloading | Campfire Forums | Gear Shop
Copyright © 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
 
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5
(Release build 20201027)
Responsive Width:

PHP: 7.3.33 Page Time: 0.050s Queries: 15 (0.004s) Memory: 0.9373 MB (Peak: 1.0867 MB) Data Comp: Zlib Server Time: 2023-02-08 12:59:32 UTC
Valid HTML 5 and Valid CSS