Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire The NRA is Still Beating That Drum

I got my daily e-mail from the NRA this morning. One of the articles was titled,
5 Instances When Reloading Is Not Beneficial

Went through the basics with the first (4), then it came to number (5).

5: You're Planning To Use It For Self-Defense

https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/5-instances-when-reloading-is-not-beneficial/

JFC I thought that myth was expelled when everybody realized Massad Ayoob was an idiot sponsored by ammunition manufactures.

Back to the same question, find a single case where Handloads were used against the shooter in a good shoot.

They must be talking to that Ayoob charlatan..

How is it a "myth"?

Why would anyone GAF what NRA thinks? Their emails go right to my SPAM folder without being opened.

"However, factory ammunition comes with an added value: a liability shift. Major manufacturers have run their products through extensive legal considerations and are prepared to handle anything that might come up through its use. Should you use your homemade ammunition in a life-or-death encounter, you might have to prove that you didn’t make it any more lethal than something commonly available at a sporting-goods store. Self-defense ammunition is expensive, but not nearly as expensive as paying a lawyer for the extra time to (hopefully) prove that you didn’t fire anything “enhanced” on the day of the incident."

lol

Maybe they have to suck up to ayoob cause he's the only one still paying dues.

Retired LEO here. Most people do not realize that the attorneys don't take an oath to tell the truth during a trial. All they have to do is implant a suggestion that sticks with one of the jurors bias. So they can say anything, get it objected to, but the damage is done. If you should ever have the misfortune of being involved in a shooting, if your not charged criminally, you almost certainly will be sued. Either one is life-changing and expensive. I've been retired 13 years, and a jury trial back in my day with a decent attorney defending you in a homicide was 500K in SE Virginia. I still CC and my ammo is what I carried when it was issued to me, 9mm Golddot, 124 grain +P.

Is reloading for a 45 ACP considered to be an 'enhanced' 9mm? Any time you shoot a larger, more powerful caliber, isn't than an enhancement over a smaller caliber?

I don't understand why you're so out of sorts about this. It sounds like a very reasonable precaution.

As for Ayoob being paid by ammo manuifacturers (it's not spelled "manufactures," BTW), what gun writer isn't. Free hunts and such.

I'll let you have him on your team.😁

As long as suckers (born every minute) send them money the drum will continue.

That load is much enhanced over the 120 gr flat point hard cast in my 327.

Remember the days when anything but ball ammo was a sure sign of a blood thirsty killer? The rhetoric over "dum-dums"?

I think possession of HP ammunition is still prohibited in some jurisdictions.

HP's are not allowed in NJ. Unless you're a cop.

It's not spelled manuifacturers, either......

Attorney's are ruthless, I agree. Experts can be just as much, if not more so. The truth is, and I've been an expert in one case, was the shot justified or not. That's the only question that ever came up - on either side.

Fug those commie oxygen thieves.

When Wayne is gone and there is a profound apology and drastic change in behavior, we can talk about membership again.

To make matters worse, if you are in a urban enviroment, and shoot someone not of your race, you have a real up hill battle to fight. Media will not be on your side, jurors will likely not be your peers, and the judge will likely be liberal. You can be 100% in the right and still lose everything. Literally.

That particular point made by the NRA is gratuitous at best. If the purpose of your having/using the firearm in a situation is self-defense (and is that not the core of the 2nd amendment?), you are entitled to the best defense you can manage.

Yes, this glut of greedy lawyers has heavily influenced the minute slicing/dicing of equipment used in such situations - purely trying to grab $$ from those who had to defend themselves against a criminal - which misuse of the law is sick and deplorable.

I would be immensely more interested in effectively protecting my loved ones and myself than I would be concerned about a sleazy lawyer trying to profit from my doing something basically sound and correct.

That ammo has been in the gun for a long time - I don't even know specifically what it is or who made it - so neither do you.

I requalify every year at the local PD or with the Sheriff's department. I carry the same ammo. Just to stay out of this garbage. I'm pretty sure whatever they are using will kill bad guys. I see no need to get all fancy and such.

kwg

If the claim is made by the defendant that they were justified in shooting the attacker, the only factors a jury is allowed to consider are factors related to justification. The prosecutor is not even permitted to introduce evidence that your ammo was hand loaded, since that doesn't relate to whether the shooting was justified.