Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire What Did This Guy Think Was Going To Happen After He Knocks The Phone Out Of His Hand?

Arkansas probably has a $1,000 limit for felony level theft or vandalism and phones these days can easily get there out-of-the-box. The contents can be even more valuable. Deliberately knocking a valuable phone out of his hand should be considered assault.

Entertainment value of the video aside, this thread is extremely interesting from a sociological perspective.

In the not-so-long ago (1985ish and back) in the USA (and Canada as well, I imagine), one didn't have the right to get in someone's face, insult and provoke them, and, so long as the aggressor didn't touch the other person, experience no negative consequences.

In other words, one didn't have the right to be an azzhole without repercussions.

It wasn't in the legal code, but it was part of living in a civil society. Most learned this on the playgrounds, schoolbuses, and vacant lots across the country. Kids learned how to be civil by experiencing, or at least witnessing firsthand, the school of hard knocks.

I graduated from high school in 1986. Fights were a fairly regular occurrence in elementary and middle school, rarer, but still occurred, in high school. Nobody was ever seriously injured, and nobody was expelled, or even severely disciplined for a simple fistfight/ground grapple struggle.

But we learned not to be azzholes to others, or someone would come along and teach us some manners.

That hasn't been the case in schools for at least 30-35 years. And we have adult-aged children, like Mx. Skinny Jeans, who get well into their 20's or 30's and have never learned that lesson.

And then, eventually, they do.

Mx. Skinny Jeans is lucky he only received a concussion and some stitches learning his lesson. It could have been bullets and the morgue.

Similar story with my cousin in Roundup, Montana. The family was at a diner having dinner and some loudmouth kept running his mouth with all sorts of foul language. My cousin asked him to cut out his cursing. The fellow continued to curse and my cousin walked over to him, grabbed him by the collar and pulled him off his chair. Then he explained how he would beat him senseless if he didn’t shut up, causing the malefactor to piss his pants.

My cousin resumed his meal without throwing a single punch. However, he did box extensively in golden gloves in the 1950’s and his brother did punch Cassius Clay in the face a few years earlier in a Golden Gloves match before the 1960 Olympics…

The guy throwing the punch should thank his lucky stars that fall didn't kill or permanently incapacitate the punchee. He may not have been charged, but he's still subject to a lot of hassle, legal fees and a probable civil suit. I don't know if a jury would see that film like the manly brutes here on the fire. Does smacking a cellphone out of a man's hand justify being killed? And nobody knows what led up to this altercation.

Not should be. Is. He forcefully struck his hand. That's assault. A reasonable person struck in that context would believe that he was under attack and that actions in self-defense were called for.

So you have hid under chairs all your life, never been in a fight? Do you have any skills whatsoever?

The guy throwing the punch should thank his lucky stars that fall didn't kill or permanently incapacitate the punchee. He may not have been charged, but he's still subject to a lot of hassle, legal fees and a probable civil suit. I don't know if a jury would see that film like the manly brutes here on the fire. Does smacking a cellphone out of a man's hand justify being killed? And nobody knows what led up to this altercation.

Thank you buckhaggard. As a paramedic I worked 2 cases where the patient fell over, or got knocked over in a parking lot, hit his head hard on the asphalt like this guy did. But my 2 patients got fractured skulls and died. It can happen.

Had this guy in the story died, boxer guy would have gotten hit with a massive civil suit, several million dollars at least. Tied up in court for 18 months and legal bills of a hundred grand at least. Every week, or every day for a year or two, back to the courthouse for another deposition, or another hearing.

The guy throwing the punch should thank his lucky stars that fall didn't kill or permanently incapacitate the punchee. He may not have been charged, but he's still subject to a lot of hassle, legal fees and a probable civil suit. I don't know if a jury would see that film like the manly brutes here on the fire. Does smacking a cellphone out of a man's hand justify being killed? And nobody knows what led up to this altercation.

Maybe he's in for a civil suit, but the standard of guilt within the context of a self-defense civil claim has nothing at all to do with the actual damage to the attacker. It has only to do with whether the action on the part of the defender was within his rights under the circumstances. A jury wouldn't be allowed to consider the actual outcome when judging the question of guilt.

Missed all those years with his little Hummingbird......

You sir are a man of culture.

No saying your cousin was wrong. He did however commit assault and could have been charged.