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George AKA the Montreal moron is an idiot with a long history of stupid comments. Open sights on hard kicking doubles is the norm. Anyone ever hear of their sights shifting due to recoil? .375 recoil is mild and to worry about iron sights shifting is simply asinine.

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I second that emotion. A complete buffoon...


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Originally Posted by EdM
I would be hard pressed to improve upon my 416 Rem M70 as a dangerous game rifle. Not too heavy, balances where I like it and is accurate enough for anything I will and have hunted with it. A McM Winchester Express stock, Williams extractor, bolt handle welded and Jim Wisner's front and rear sights, the latter being a copy of the pre-64 M70 Express sight. It's 100% reliable.

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Hi EdM, good shooting!

Just curious, how many yards away it that target? and how long is your average shot in Africa?


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Originally Posted by 458Win
Under stress you instinctively revert to the familiar.

I screwed up by switching to a “new to me” Winchester 70 after many years of shooting and hunting with Remington 700’s. That might have been my first model 70, I’m not sure. I shot that model 70 quite a bit at the range, but never was in a hurry to take the safety off. I had buck and bull tags in Colorado. It was snowing and was three a.m. when I got where I wanted to be on a mountain near Grandby. First light a large buck got up within 50’ of me and disappeared in short order. I was pushing the safety foreword as the mule deer disappeared. I wasn’t stressed as in danger, but that rack and me being too slow to shoot - trying to take the safety off is a memory I’ll not forget. Being familiar with your rifle, in my opinion, trumps bolt, lever, or double.


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Originally Posted by KillerBee
Originally Posted by EdM
I would be hard pressed to improve upon my 416 Rem M70 as a dangerous game rifle. Not too heavy, balances where I like it and is accurate enough for anything I will and have hunted with it. A McM Winchester Express stock, Williams extractor, bolt handle welded and Jim Wisner's front and rear sights, the latter being a copy of the pre-64 M70 Express sight. It's 100% reliable.

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Hi EdM, good shooting!

Just curious, how many yards away it that target? and how long is your average shot in Africa?

The target is 100 yards away. My shots were 130 yards on buffalo, 240 on kudu, 60 on bushbuck, 160 on waterbuck and 20 on cervil.


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Bolt of course and with a New Model 70.

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Originally Posted by EdM
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Originally Posted by EdM
I would be hard pressed to improve upon my 416 Rem M70 as a dangerous game rifle. Not too heavy, balances where I like it and is accurate enough for anything I will and have hunted with it. A McM Winchester Express stock, Williams extractor, bolt handle welded and Jim Wisner's front and rear sights, the latter being a copy of the pre-64 M70 Express sight. It's 100% reliable.

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Hi EdM, good shooting!

Just curious, how many yards away it that target? and how long is your average shot in Africa?

The target is 100 yards away. My shots were 130 yards on buffalo, 240 on kudu, 60 on bushbuck, 160 on waterbuck and 20 on cervil.

Hello again EdM, thank you for your response.

I have to go to Africa, I have just the rifle for it and that trip has been on my Bucket List for WAY TOO LONG!

Cheers ~ KB


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I'd have 470 nitro express or a 500 nitro express double rifle, and hunt the big 5 till i died!!

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Boy are you guys -----BEATING THE [bleep] OUTA THIS ONE!!!!

Give it a break, move on to something else!

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Originally Posted by mooshoo
I'd have 470 nitro express or a 500 nitro express double rifle, and hunt the big 5 till i died!!

Best post for sure.

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I would carry the one JJhack had made some time ago, wish he would post pics of it again, it was well thought out by an expert as at true working rflle, forget the caliber but I think it had a ghost ring sight set up.
Maybe he will post on it.


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Since the rifle I am most familiar with and fits me like a glove, it comes up perfectly lined up every time is a Steyr Mannlicher Model M professional .30-06 so it would obviously not be my first choice for dangerous game. I would have to get a Steyr Mannlicher Model S in either .375 H&H or .458 Win Mag. I would run the .458 out to the Lott if the mags would work. I would want one of the models with the extra mag on the butt. Get lots of ammo and practice a lot. Either would be fitted with a low power scope in QD mounts


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I had a model M professional.It was my first rifle and was a gift from my dad.It was chambered for the 270 win.It had its issues.One being the plastic magazine, plastic parts in its trigger that solvents ate up and an awkward butter knife shaped bolt handle that would interfere with my forearm and lift slightly upwards when I would wear a coat and cause the rifle not to fire.Despite that I loved it.The original Steyr mounts I had on it were awesome and always kept their point of aim.

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I have been lucky and not had any mag problems with any of the “M” or “MIII” Professionals I have had. I love the bolt handle and prefer the double set trigger versions although the single set trigger is nice also. I have not had one yet that wouldn’t shoot under 1/2” with their preferred loads. I have had them in .25-06, .270, .30-06 and 9.3x62mm. I am only missing the 7x64mm and 8x57 I think.


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I have seen a video of "swiftshot" braining an elephant with an iron sighted double. One shot dead. I don't know how many of you fellows have done that.

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Did you see his video of him shooting a cow buffalo after his PH told him not to shoot? Or the follow up where the PH told him to come forward and finish off the cow he shot illegally? It makes for interesting viewing…. Of course it’s difficult to find that video since he tried to bury it years ago.

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I had the double set trigger too.I loved it and took game with it-mostly caribou.Sorry it was not the mag. that I had issues with it was the plastic trigger guard that would crack around the guard screw holes-I replaced it many times and the gun store owner had a smile on his face every time I ordered another.It was easy to get dirt trapped inside that mag however if you left it in your pocket-sometimes I would get tobacco in mine if I had in in the same pocket with my smokes.

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Originally Posted by WRPape
I have seen a video of "swiftshot" braining an elephant with an iron sighted double. One shot dead. I don't know how many of you fellows have done that.
Thanks!

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