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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The 2d says we already have the rights and those rights can't be infringed. How clear can it get? The entire bill of rights says we have the rights and the government can't take them away.


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Don't want to poop the party, but the Donald let slip he'd like "suspension." I mean, his mouth is about as loose as another orifice, but I've about had enough of the guy. Our next President needs to be a cogent adult and a "Constitutional Republic"-an.


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Originally Posted by Fireball2
Not a right, a privilege.

Allowed, or not, at the discretion of the government.

Applies to ALL rights if the government can convince you of it and enforce it on you.

Prove me wrong. Show me a *right* that you have that a corrupt government cannot take from you. Up to and including your life.

None of my rights are taken from me unless I choose to surrender them.

They don’t originate from government, are inherent to everyone and not subject to be taken except in the most extreme cases ie incarcerated/felons etc.


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All governments derive their powers from the consent of the Governed.


by international charter of finance and war, if you pay for it you support it. (your feelings about that support are 100% irrelevant. Only the fact that it's paid by taxes is relevant. That's why cities are bombed and shelled in war. To kill tax payers who are the ones making the governments viable and giving them power)

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WHAT ?


America is (supposed to be) a Republic, NOT a democracy. Learn the difference, help end the lie. Fear a government that fears your guns.
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Originally Posted by Fireball2
Not a right, a privilege.

Allowed, or not, at the discretion of the government.

Applies to ALL rights if the government can convince you of it and enforce it on you.

Prove me wrong. Show me a *right* that you have that a corrupt government cannot take from you. Up to and including your life.
That's pretty much what the Federal judge said today with her ruling in 114.
She's a real POS!!

I understand the "they can't take my rights if I don't surrender them", or the "I will not comply", or the 2nd Amendment says they can't infringe thinking.
I think the same way.
HOWEVER, tell me how that's worked out for those in California, New York, Illinois, New Jersey and all the other commie states that got caught practicing their Constitutional rights. They're in prison while many of the real criminals are not being prosecuted or jailed.
And if you're a left wing politician there's a real likelyhood that there's nothing you could do that would ever land you in jail.
So, yes, I get it. Our rights are, in reality, nothing more than temporary privileges subject to the whims of the tyrants.
Don't think so? I submit for your consideration the comments from that ass hole congressman that said "dont give me that bull schitt about Constitutional rights".
He got no push back from ANY of the other dems in congress. Tells you all you need to know about those ass holes and our rights


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The Bill of Rights identifies ten God given rights and prohibits government from violating those rights. Maybe since the beginning but definitely since WW2 we have seen government progressively infringe upon and blatently violate those rights. You can pretty much predict how a judge will rule based on the president who appointed them. This is not how it is supposed to work but this is reality. Yes you have the God given right but more and more the reality is you might have to be prepared to die to defend those rights.

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Originally Posted by Fireball2
Not a right, a privilege.

Allowed, or not, at the discretion of the government.

Applies to ALL rights if the government can convince you of it and enforce it on you.

Prove me wrong. Show me a *right* that you have that a corrupt government cannot take from you. Up to and including your life.
That's pretty much what the Federal judge said today with her ruling in 114.
She's a real POS!!

Immergut, while she has changed her political spots to suit here career as she moved forward. She’s a Liberal.

As I said, based on her confirmation hearing answers to District of Columbia v Heller. She isn’t likely to rule in our favor. And I was right.

Confirmation hearing questions

https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Immergut%20Responses%20to%20QFRs.pdf


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