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I was reading that CO is used very effectively in some commercial buildings. Of course you have to pipe it in rather than opening a bottle while you're in there. Then you have to make sure it's well aired out before going back in.
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I was reading that CO is used very effectively in some commercial buildings. Of course you have to pipe it in rather than opening a bottle while you're in there. Then you have to make sure it's well aired out before going back in. And I'm guessing it's not cheap either. I use CO2 in beer, soda and wine making. It's not exactly cheap. I suspect CO, being less commonly used would be even more expensive. A bucket or a few cats would be a much better bet.
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Soda distributors, Beer tap systems, AirGas, Lindt, .... He wants CO, not CO2. oops..
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CO is available. We buy bottles which are used to calibrate our air monitors at work.
But I would certainly not use it for fumigation purposes. It is far too dangerous. And without proper detection equipment, you will never know it's there.
Every welding store sells bottles of Nitrogen, and CO2. They would smother anything in your building, and be far less lethal to you as you ventilate the place.
CO is so dangerous because hemoglobin has a greater affinity for CO than it does for O2. A very minute amount of CO in the air will accumulate and concentrate in your blood until the hemoglobin is not capable of carrying any Oxygen, even in an Oxygen rich atmosphere.
If you really want to fumigate the building, it is better to use an actual fumigant, and probably a licensed applicator.
Have you considered what you will do about the aroma of decomposing rodents in the walls and other inaccessable locations?
In your situation, I would go down to D&B or Tractor Supply and buy a 10 lb tub of Tomcat Rodenticide, along with four or five outside bait stations. Proper outside bait stations will prevent anything other than rodents accessing the poison baits. The outside locations will thin out the mouse or rat population before they make it into your building.
Then you have the option of baiting inside the building, but again, there's the issue of rotting carcasses.
I prefer to trap inside. There are many good, inexpensive traps on the market. I am very fond of the Tin Cat or its many clones. Once you catch the first mouse with a Tin Cat, the other mice will smell his urine and feces in the trap, and you will catch many more very quickly.
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And the best thing about the traps is that you know exactly where are all the dead mice, and they are easily disposed instead of hidden away decomposing.
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The Germans used to be able to get Zyklon B. It worked according to all accounts.
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Thank you for the information gentlemen. I couldn't find anything online other than CO's used commercially. I'm well aware of it's dangers. As far as dead mice in the walls, I don't know how to avoid that with any kind of fumigation. My wife's shop is where she does art glass work. Most kinds of fumigation will leave a film on the glass which will screw it up when fired in a kiln. I got curious about CO from something I read. It looks like we'll have to keep trapping.
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True fumigants, such as Sulfuryl Fluoride are gases and will not leave residue in the home. It is perfectly safe to leave your pot, pans, plates, and eating utensils out on the counter while fumigation is taking place.
It is not like the fumigant would not get inside the cupboards and drawers anyway. That is the point of a fumigant.
Aerosol "bombs" are not fumigants.
For a fumigant to leave any trace on Momma's projects, it would have to chemically react with the glass. I find that very unlikely.
As stated earlier, those outside bait stations will drastically reduce the number of mice you will harvest after they enter the building.
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Thank you for the information gentlemen. I couldn't find anything online other than CO's used commercially. I'm well aware of it's dangers. As far as dead mice in the walls, I don't know how to avoid that with any kind of fumigation. My wife's shop is where she does art glass work. Most kinds of fumigation will leave a film on the glass which will screw it up when fired in a kiln. I got curious about CO from something I read. It looks like we'll have to keep trapping. Get a flip n slide bucket trap or make something similar. I used to make bucket traps out of a piece of tig rod and a beer can. I'd put a ring of peanut butter around the middle of the beer can, which was suspended on a tig rod axle across the bucket. You've got to drill a couple holes in the ends of the can and the top rim of the bucket. Use a scrap of wood to make a ramp up to the top of the bucket. The mice would jump to the can, which spun on the tig rod and fall into the bucket and drown. I now just buy these. Flip N Slide Mouse Trap - Made in USA
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If your dead set on gases that can kill a bitch maybe H2S would work even better than CO…
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Go to the pool store, get your chlorine pellet's, and some ammonia...... just saying....
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Wow, if he’s not busy sleuthing the college coed murders in Moscow, he is going Dr Kevorkian on field mice.
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CO2 would work if the area is air tight. If it has mice there are dime sized holes somewhere.
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Be careful, cobalt is dangerous sheit!
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I thought you wanted to buy a tank in Colorado.
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CO may be "in the tank," but that don't mean you can afford ta buy it.
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Be careful, cobalt is dangerous sheit! That would be Co.
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Put auto anti-freeze in the bucket/spinner-can thing, it'll keep the stink WAY down.
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