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Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
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Hahahahahaha! @Gruff.


You NEVER....NEVER fugg with a tire valve stem unless you are prepared to dismount the tire.


That's first day Tractor 101 dude.....


I played hooky that period consistently. Fugking [bleep] anyways lolol




I agree to a point.

Don't fuuck with a valve stem on a chloride tire in cold weather unless you have safety glasses and the spare parts on hand.


Totally burned you there BGG, sorry.




Seriously though, chit happens.


And winter time tire trouble sucks.



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Full on blast in both my pretty blue peepers.

Not your first time.

LOL


You're giving the shît eating dick gobbling Tester supporters a hard on with that kinda talk.

I remember when I moved to Montana in 2008. I assumed 99% of the residents would be card carrying patriots.

Holy schit was I wrong. LOL

Tester being a perfect example.


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Trump being classless, tasteless and clueless as usual.

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Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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Originally Posted by GrouseChaser
Maybe the only reason Jon Tester doesn't run for President (and probably win) is his wife doesn't want to move to D.C. or be comfortable as First Lady.
She is a square-jawed Montana woman, who prefers to pull February calves. We could use a lot more men and women like them in D.C.

Our country would be far better off with significantly less people like them in D.C. We all know ranchers, farmers, mechanics, ad infinitum who are "good ole boys" and we all know some that are complete and total a-holes. We all know some who are extreme liberals and or leftists. We all know some who are conservative. Being a rancher in D.C. does us no good if said rancher is a semi-socialist liberal who will tow the party line and vote the agenda that, in my opinion, runs counter to the best interests of this country and, unfortunately, often counter to the U.S. Constitution. Because he is a rancher from Montana he is somehow a blue dog Democrat or middle of the road Democrat? He sure doesn't vote that way.


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Originally Posted by TheBigSky
We all know some who are extreme liberals and or leftists.


This is (kind of) off subject but I know of a rancher from somewhere around Lame Deer (white guy and not on the Res) who is (or was at least) a huge Hillary supporter. He wasn't some big money hobby rancher that bought several thousand acres and hired locals to actually run it...He was supposedly born and raised there on that family owned ranch. It boggles my mind, but they are out there.

I also have crossed paths with some high dollar businessmen that also supported her. One was a big hunter and gun collector who owned a well known food company that we have all heard of that is worth millions and millions of dollars. I don't get it, but it is what it is...



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We all know some who are extreme liberals and or leftists.


This is (kind of) off subject but I know of a rancher from somewhere around Lame Deer (white guy and not on the Res) who is (or was at least) a huge Hillary supporter. He wasn't some big money hobby rancher that bought several thousand acres and hired locals to actually run it...He was supposedly born and raised there on that family owned ranch. It boggles my mind, but they are out there.

I also have crossed paths with some high dollar businessmen that also supported her. One was a big hunter and gun collector who owned a well known food company that we have all heard of that is worth millions and millions of dollars. I don't get it, but it is what it is...

Subsidies... many farmers and ranchers get them and they are loyal to those that provide them


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Red dye or Bust.
(dis morning on the way to see Jon)

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Originally Posted by SamOlson
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Brother Sam.... you should demand a higher price to sell out..... smile smile


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My son in law is a techi geek, and several years ago we were heading to Big Timber for a goat hunt, he had an app that disclosed who was receiving ag subsidies and he called them out as we traveled... it was shall we say enlightening


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Originally Posted by T_Inman
Originally Posted by TheBigSky
We all know some who are extreme liberals and or leftists.


This is (kind of) off subject but I know of a rancher from somewhere around Lame Deer (white guy and not on the Res) who is (or was at least) a huge Hillary supporter. He wasn't some big money hobby rancher that bought several thousand acres and hired locals to actually run it...He was supposedly born and raised there on that family owned ranch. It boggles my mind, but they are out there.

I also have crossed paths with some high dollar businessmen that also supported her. One was a big hunter and gun collector who owned a well known food company that we have all heard of that is worth millions and millions of dollars. I don't get it, but it is what it is...

It’s been my experience in MT that ranchers tend to be more conservative, farmers far and away more liberal. Subsidies and off time vs year round work.


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Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
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Originally Posted by TheBigSky
We all know some who are extreme liberals and or leftists.


This is (kind of) off subject but I know of a rancher from somewhere around Lame Deer (white guy and not on the Res) who is (or was at least) a huge Hillary supporter. He wasn't some big money hobby rancher that bought several thousand acres and hired locals to actually run it...He was supposedly born and raised there on that family owned ranch. It boggles my mind, but they are out there.

I also have crossed paths with some high dollar businessmen that also supported her. One was a big hunter and gun collector who owned a well known food company that we have all heard of that is worth millions and millions of dollars. I don't get it, but it is what it is...

It’s been my experience in MT that ranchers tend to be more conservative, farmers far and away more liberal. Subsidies and off time vs year round work.

That is interesting brother Gruff


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Fubes, some people would call me a welfare rancher.


I say have at that easy money....lol





And without federal crop insurance some years we(the farm) would lose money on the grain side of things. The latest drought payment should cover operating expenses so break even just out your time spent. That and the mental anguish.....lol






But yeah, there are a few local farmers around here who try and plant a crop failure just to receive a payment.

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Originally Posted by SamOlson
Fubes, some people would call me a welfare rancher.


I say have at that easy money....lol





And without federal crop insurance some years we(the farm) would lose money on the grain side of things. The latest drought payment should cover operating expenses so break even just out your time spent. That and the mental anguish.....lol






But yeah, there are a few local farmers around here who try and plant a crop failure just to receive a payment.

Brother Sam, I have no doubt your struggles are real and bless you and other producers......
My problem s with the parasites.


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Trump paid more in Covid 'relief' than anything Biden.



Y'all heard of CFAP?


And yes I took the cheese.


Bought some tractor tires and an insulated stock tank.


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I certainly know more farmers that are left leaning than ranchers, though they both can and do receive farm bill subsidies. Plenty of ranchers or feedlot owners also farm, and not just for cattle feed so it gets muddied, quickly.

An ultra conservative friend-who probably shouldn't be-farms right up to the road's edge leaving no cover for birds and still takes full advantage of farm bill subsidies, which the way I understand it isn't allowed, at least with the 2018 farm bill. He also has plenty of hired hands, a $20,000 roping horse and buys a new pickup/trailer every other year. He writes it all off as business expenses. Maybe legally, maybe not.

Point being, plenty hard core conservatives play the system just like liberals. Also, if it wasn't for those subsidies, we'd be paying a lot more of farmers' costs. I still find it hard to believe a loaf of bread is $5, for the good stuff. How the hell does that cover all the costs and overhead that goes into growing the wheat, processing it, packaging and delivering that loaf of bread? I couldn't imagine those subsidies aren't a big part of that so we all benefit from them, though only tax payers foot the bill.

Wow this thread has veered off course...



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Originally Posted by T_Inman
I certainly know more farmers that are left leaning than ranchers, though they both can and do receive farm bill subsidies. Plenty of ranchers or feedlot owners also farm, and not just for cattle feed so it gets muddied, quickly.

An ultra conservative friend-who probably shouldn't be-farms right up to the road's edge leaving no cover for birds and still takes full advantage of farm bill subsidies, which the way I understand it isn't allowed, at least with the 2018 farm bill. He also has plenty of hired hands, a $20,000 roping horse and buys a new pickup/trailer every other year. He writes it all off as business expenses. Maybe legally, maybe not.

Point being, plenty hard core conservatives play the system just like liberals. Also, if it wasn't for those subsidies, we'd be paying a lot more of farmers' costs. I still find it hard to believe a loaf of bread is $5, for the good stuff. How the hell does that cover all the costs and overhead that goes into growing the wheat, processing it, packaging and delivering that loaf of bread? I couldn't imagine those subsidies aren't a big part of that so we all benefit from them, though only tax payers foot the bill.

Wow this thread has veered off course...

Tinman,
As a small business owner that receives nothing but a large tax bill from the government it is hard to sympathize....


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Originally Posted by JohnBurns
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I did learn and Daines ran on a heavy 2ndA platform at the end.

We can both agree he might not be the hardest working candidate.

You understand that without the Green Decoy vote Tester would have lost.

Green Decoy vote is gone.

Tester is gone.
We will see...I'd like to discuss further but spent all day helping my youngest nephew kill his first bull in Wyoming today. Was a long day but a good one watching him kill a bull at 90 yards with his 7-08...one perfect shot.

Put 5 more bulls to bed before dark and hopefully my oldest nephew can put his second bull tag in the last 2 years to good use.

I definitely like those odds...

Carry on...I'm hitting the rack.

You do get after it which is why I consider you one of my "projects".

Good luck on the nephew bull and hope it will help your mood when Tester goes down.

As it turned out didn't need luck...2 bulls in 2 days. Both shot them with their 7-08's, both around 100 yards, both one shot each.

They do good work.

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I knew Tester approx 20 years ago. He was new to running the farm, He was just another farmer that was trying to make a living.

He then ran for office. I talked to many of his neighbors and some of them were going to vote for him. Others said I am going to

stick with Burns, the republican who was in office. During several cycles since I have asked farmers from that area, who will win?

Many were sticking with Jon. But his base is Missoula, Bozeman, and Billings. ( the teachers union )

The last I knew his son in law was doing the farming but I could be out of touch.


The big problem to me is the people that are put up to run against Jon.
Billings isn't voting for Tester. It's a pretty conservative area all things considered.

It's red as hell down there.
That's one of the reasons I moved here...that and its about the only place in the state that has an abundance of high paying jobs.

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Originally Posted by GrouseChaser
Tester is the last actual real farmer in the Senate. He drives a tractor, his wife changes the tires. He drives around in a beat Ford truck with a Savage 99 hanging in the rack, also doing many things to keep public lands open to blue collar public hunters.

And you have some strange violation of your 2nd amendment if he doesn't vote for pistol braces? LMFAO.

Recognize a gift when you're given it. Jon Tester.

tester is a proven anti gun pos.

plus he's a fast pig like his wife

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Tester is neither a rancher nor farmer, he is a music teacher. He was a farmer's fat kid.

Now he is a multi-millionaire, though he didn't sell his daddy's farm.

Weird, right?

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Originally Posted by BuzzH
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You do get after it which is why I consider you one of my "projects".

Good luck on the nephew bull and hope it will help your mood when Tester goes down.

As it turned out didn't need luck...2 bulls in 2 days. Both shot them with their 7-08's, both around 100 yards, both one shot each.

They do good work.

When I first started posting here you figured a .338 Win Mag was needed for elk so you could shoot thru trees. wink

Now that you understand more about elk cartridges I have hope you can up you politics game.

Congrats to your nephew. smile


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