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Since there has been recent discussion on Stiths for Weaver K4s, thought I'd show the first version K4 and its Stith mounted on this 1946 99EG.

This is the first version of Weaver's 1" 4X scope (the K4) that came out in 1947. It has external adjustments with no caps over the adjustments. This K4 version was made into 1948. The objective O.D. is 1.130". The objective diameter on the next version of the K4 (with adjustment caps) had a slightly larger objective diameter. The 3rd version K4 was again slightly larger than the second. The K4-60s were too large for the stith mounts (an objective O.D. of 1.550”).

Note the thin wires and dot used on this K4.

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So Keith, are you saying that the early K scopes without the caps over the adjustments were made only in 1947 & 1948?

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Originally Posted by Jaaack
So Keith, are you saying that the early K scopes without the caps over the adjustments were made only in 1947 & 1948?

That's what the Vintage Gun Scope web site indicates: https://www.vintagegunscopes.com/vgs-remanufactured?category=Weaver

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Originally Posted by KeithNyst
Originally Posted by Jaaack
So Keith, are you saying that the early K scopes without the caps over the adjustments were made only in 1947 & 1948?

That's what the Vintage Gun Scope web site indicates: https://www.vintagegunscopes.com/vgs-remanufactured?category=Weaver

Thanks Keith. That really narrows down the age of the K2.5 with exposed adjustments I have on a 1941 EG.

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Here is a statement I copied from an ebay seller many years back:

A lot of watchers/buyers are unclear about the chronology of Weaver early K model scopes, so here is a general guideline. It may not be 100% correct, but is very close:

1946/47: Weaver introduces the K model in 2.5X and 4X. First models have tiny friction-lock adjustment screws, no adjustment caps, black painted brass lens ring on front, no lens ring on rear. Adjustment saddle tends to turn copper color over lengthy period of time (50 years or so)

1948: Black painted brass lens ring added to rear. No proof marks are on the scopes

1949: Larger black dial click adjustment replaces tiny friction-lock screw adjustment

1949/50: Round top adjustment caps are added, 1X and 6X models added, "S inside a diamond" proof mark appears

1950-55: An assortment of proof marks appear, individually and together..."S inside a diamond", "P inside a circle", "L" by itself, but often with an "S"; chronology of marks cannot be established, location of marks varies from alongside "El Paso, Tex" to just below, to way below, sometimes not on a consistent line or spacing. Location of branding/model printing also appears anywhere from just above threads (on very rare occasions, just inside the threads) to midway up to adjustments, to just below adjustments. This is one of the indications of the frantic production pace at Weaver just to keep up with worldwide demand, which often doubled and even tripled in one year. Even though the roll printing process was not always precise, there has never been found any indication whatsoever that the quality of functional parts was ever compromised to keep up with production.

1951/2: Silver adjustment dials used in place of black dials

1952: 8X and 10X models are added

1955/6: 6-ring bullseye adjustment caps appear, Model "60 in a box" appears (NOT 60B)

1957: Model "60B" appears, with first constantly-centered reticle in a 1" scope

1959/60: Brass lens rings are replaced by black plastic rings. "Bullseye" caps replaced with beveled top, knurled side caps for better grip with gloves.

After 1960, it is a bit easier to keep up with changes, as they did not occur on a sometimes-weekly basis, as they did in earlier years.

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Originally Posted by Lightfoot
Here is a statement I copied from an ebay seller many years back:

A lot of watchers/buyers are unclear about the chronology of Weaver early K model scopes, so here is a general guideline. It may not be 100% correct, but is very close:

1946/47: Weaver introduces the K model in 2.5X and 4X. First models have tiny friction-lock adjustment screws, no adjustment caps, black painted brass lens ring on front, no lens ring on rear. Adjustment saddle tends to turn copper color over lengthy period of time (50 years or so)

1948: Black painted brass lens ring added to rear. No proof marks are on the scopes

1949: Larger black dial click adjustment replaces tiny friction-lock screw adjustment

1949/50: Round top adjustment caps are added, 1X and 6X models added, "S inside a diamond" proof mark appears

1950-55: An assortment of proof marks appear, individually and together..."S inside a diamond", "P inside a circle", "L" by itself, but often with an "S"; chronology of marks cannot be established, location of marks varies from alongside "El Paso, Tex" to just below, to way below, sometimes not on a consistent line or spacing. Location of branding/model printing also appears anywhere from just above threads (on very rare occasions, just inside the threads) to midway up to adjustments, to just below adjustments. This is one of the indications of the frantic production pace at Weaver just to keep up with worldwide demand, which often doubled and even tripled in one year. Even though the roll printing process was not always precise, there has never been found any indication whatsoever that the quality of functional parts was ever compromised to keep up with production.

1951/2: Silver adjustment dials used in place of black dials

1952: 8X and 10X models are added

1955/6: 6-ring bullseye adjustment caps appear, Model "60 in a box" appears (NOT 60B)

1957: Model "60B" appears, with first constantly-centered reticle in a 1" scope

1959/60: Brass lens rings are replaced by black plastic rings. "Bullseye" caps replaced with beveled top, knurled side caps for better grip with gloves.

After 1960, it is a bit easier to keep up with changes, as they did not occur on a sometimes-weekly basis, as they did in earlier years.

Good stuff! really helped in positively Identifying the Chronology of a K4 with ‘S Inside Diamond’ in a Stith mount that I have.


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That is good info! I've printed and added to the drawer of Weavers that I thought I needed to buy over the years and one in the Weave section of the scope book..


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Yes, the only thing he left out was the dimensions of the bells over the evolution.

I learned it all through trial and error.

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So Keith what caliber is the EG and if you will first 4 numbers of ser no, , PM if u want to keep it off the thread

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Originally Posted by Rick99
That is good info! I've printed and added to the drawer of Weavers that I thought I needed to buy over the years and one in the Weave section of the scope book..

could you please add that to MISS good info on top of site please ,

also how do i save threads that i like , used to have it but it seamed to disapear a few years ago with a forum [ update]

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Norm, 300 Sav, 4440xx

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Originally Posted by KeithNyst
Norm, 300 Sav, 4440xx
thanks I am looking for 30-30 s from 1945- 1948-9


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On more bit of info. As I had noted the initial version of the K4 had external adjustment without caps. Initially that adjustment was by friction pad; then Weaver changed it to a click adjustment. Mine has the click-adjustment.

Here is a picture of the two versions.
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Norm, go to the colored strip at the top of the Posting. Find the 3 dots connected at a right angle (Share) and click. That should take you to a new page where you can send to yourself or others, posting or the full thread. Let me know if problems.

I'll add to the Misc Good Things.


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I have a Weaver J4. Where does that fit in all of this? It came off a 1915 HP22.


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Originally Posted by Blitz
I have a Weaver J4. Where does that fit in all of this? It came off a 1915 HP22.

Depends, they were made from 1947 to 1967.

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That is a 3/4" scope. The 2.5X works with the 3/4" Stith but they didn't make a front piece to work with the larger bell on the 4X, that I know of.


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