Home Forums Miscellaneous Topics Military Uday & Qusay Hussein "bagged" by 101st and Green Berets

Just read about this....Saddam's sons....Uday & Qusay were body-bagged today by elements of the 101st and US Special Forces in Mosul, Irag.

Bill,

Cool.

Anyone got any field photos for the trophy scrap book ? (LOL !!!!) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Wonder if they were using Noslers Partitions or XXX's !!!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

About frigging time they got it.

Tony.

Now if they can just bag the big Saddass! Game Over!

Bet they called a special 30 minute break in hell just to poke up the fire for them two.

Way to go, Screaming Eagles!
7mm

Hard not to like THAT!!

I hope they get some good info out of the stuff in that house, that might lead them to daddy.

MM

Hey, heard a report that amoung other things, they hit'm with a 50 BMG !!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

Bet that left a nice exit hole !!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Hope daddy is taking notes !!! LOL

Tony.

It will be interesting to see if the number of attacks on our forces drops off now that they bagged them. and also if the number of tapes calling for the attacks stops or dries up. can't help but think we bagged him and the sons were the ones sending the tapes. tom

Yo T;

You gotta break that one down for me.

Do you really think that bagging Saddam would be "game over" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

They thought they had him once, the game didn't even slow down.

Every day since the "war" was officially over, someone's father, son, husband, brother, sister, wife, or mother has died over there. Never to return to their family. Not at the hands of Saddam or his charges, but from dissident guerrilla forces roming the country side taking pot shots.

This seems like VN all over, we're forcing our "help" on people that don't want it. And paying the ultimate price in doing so.

Yes, the "Fear Factor" will be gone and we can then make progress towards returning Iraq to Iraqui's.
It pains me to see our people still dieing over there, that is why I was so against it in the first place, I knew in my heart it could be another RSVN. Once the ball was open however I was and still am 100% behinde our fine service people in harms way and refuse to undermine what THEY are trying to do. Now my government on the other hand has some accounting to do.

Roger that, sir. We have to let the troops know we care about them, and the politicos will have hell to pay. We just don't get the intel we need at a timely basis. Bob

You gotta love it, dead is dead for those two, now get the old man and about two hundred more, give the people material help and get the hell out of that place, leave it for the UN to foul up. We did the dirty work now it's time to come home. We don't need their Oil all we need to do is develop our own resources on the Alaskan north slope, stop shipping our resources over seas and cut way back on immagration both legal and illegal until our national growth rate can be stabilized at 0%.

Bullwnkl.

UDAY & QUSAY ARE ED-DAY! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Pretty simple really. When the "cause" you're fighting for is gone there's no cause for further fighting.



Having been "there", and presently having family "there" I can tell you that your carping doesn't make it any easier for anyone. If you sincerely care about those over there and their family members then quietly work for their return. The familys have enough to deal with without having to listen to how wrong and what a waste it is to have their sons, daughters, fathers, brothers sisters, etc. over there. If all that they have to hold on to and comfort them while they worry about their family members "in harms way" is the feeling that what is being done is right and important then leave them that and do your work with out disturbing those who have enough to worry about. No amount of "I told you so"s will ease their grief nor their worry just as no amount of platitudes will turn back the clock nor bring back the dead. The past is done. Only the future can be changed.

I get the impression most of the people DO want our help, (as did the vast majority of Viets) and are glad we got rid of Sadam. When the fear of his comming back is gone, we'll have made serious progress toward getting out of there. Establishing this native defence force will help greatly. The people making the most noise aren't necessarly the majority. We never get a very clear picture of the situation form our news media. Sadly, I don't think the UN is the answer, they always screw it up. I hate to see this thing take 5 years though. Just my thoughts.

There is a simplistic answer that says nothing but sounds semi good. What's that from "Norma Rae"????



You believe that these guerrillas are fighting for Saddam and not to determine who'll be the NEXT Saddam?



These people have been fighting since Biblical times. Are you really that ignorant (or is that arrogant) enough to believe that the death of one individule will bring an epiphany of democracy to Iraq?



Get real.



I seemed to detect a personal attack in your tone Skid. What exactly did I "carp" about? I didn't "I told you so" anyone. I asked, and am still asking, if anyone can put emotion aside, and logicly offer a position that would indicate that the death of Saddam would end the fighting and murdering that is taking place there everyday at the expense of both Iraqi and American families.



Now if you chose to attack me fine, but no matter how good your ego may feel after your jibe, you still haven't answered the original question.







True, and those that refuse to learn from the past, are destined to repeat it.



The "national news" tonight showed Iraqi's being shown picture's of the dead brother's. Many didn't believe the photo's, one even commented (if we can believe the translation) that "he would never believe they were dead till he saw the bodies himself"



How do you plan to concur that degree of fear in these people? Drag the dead bodies through the streets like they did to our casualties in Mogadishu?



Our troops signed their lives to protect and defend America and the Constitution. They didn't sign on to be Mercs or to liberate a society to weak to liberate itself.



The war is over, bring our people home.

14 year old kid bought it in that gunfightl Son of Qusay they say. Opened up on our guys with an AK, with predictable results. So young to die so stupidly. I have no sympathy for Sadam's sons, but it's a shame about that kid. Saddest part of any war I guess.

Like father like son. May have been for the best. Bob

So tell me what you can do to keep the grenade that hit my nephew in the back last month from going off. If it sounds personal maybe that's because it is personal.

It ain't about ego on my part RAM, although I suspect it may be on yours. I couldn't give a dead rat's ass who runs Iraq. On the other hand I've been there and done that, as have a lot of others on this board, and have a certain amount of practical experience it these matters that it seems you lack. You Sir are loud, rude and boarish and I suppose that's to be expected from someone who has never been on the pointy end of a bullets path when discussing something that he/she has no practical experience with. If you want to rant and rave about how wrong and unfair and immoral the situation is that's your right but you've made your point quite a while ago. Don't recall that I ever said that I whole heartedly supported the policy that sent our military to Iraq but the fact is that they are there. I would like them to come home alive and one way to help achieve that is to support them in ways that are visible to them. When soldiers hear the constant sound of criticism from home but they don't hear support it tends to be quite demoralizing and they tend to let their guard down and then they tend to die. Anything that contributes to that I find distasteful if not down right disgusting. If you are that opposed to what our soldiers are doing then why don't you go over there and attack them yourself? While I don't have a lot of respect for Jane Fonda at least she supported her naive political convictions with action. Its real easy to sit on the sidelines and complain RAM. You seem to enjoy taking the easy way out. While you seem to understand things like rights, freedom and liberty fairly well it seems that you haven't yet grasped dignity, decorum, common courtesy and responsiblity that well yet. But again I digress. To reinterate, if this sounds personal, I guess its because in this instance it is personal.

The fighting will never end RAM. As long as there is someone somewhere who is willing to die for what he/she believes in people will continue to be killed. That's what power is all about. Those that don't have it want it and if fervent enough it their beliefs will fight for it while those who have it defend it. It may not be the noblest thing to fight for but its the only thing anyone has ever fought for. The power to make your own decision or the power to choose your own religion or the power to travel where you choose and so on. When you sift out all the crap excuses that have been given for why its necessary to go to war or to keep fighting the bottom line is always power. Those that have it want to keep it and those that don't have it want it. If you want to call it freedom that's fine as long as you realize that freedom is just another way of saying that you have the power to make your own decisions and choices.



If that's what it takes then so be it. One of the bigest mistakes our country makes is that it tends to expect others to conduct themselves and act in accordance with our standards. When you're in their country you have to understand their standards and act accordingly. If in their country it takes placing the bodies on display in the public square and that is acceptable to the natives then do it.



It seems you've fallen victim to the "tyranny of the majority" which sometimes happens in a republic. If you're not in the majority then you don't have the power to enforce your beliefs and it seems that this time you've been left out. It happens. You've lost this round. Quit wallowing around it and move on. Since you seem to count yourself as one who has learned from the past do what you can to keep it from repeating itself instead of trying to put the genie back in the bottle?



Now who's being simplistic?

Still detecting the personal attack Skid. In fact you totally avoided the direct questions I asked you, and instead fabricated a thesis of wrongful conjecture, lies and libel against me. Question is why.

I really don't think we are all that far apart here. You stated in your last post that you want to see the troops return home safely. So do I. I want it now. I see absolutely no controlling interest to keep them there any longer. Apparently you do. Could you enlighten me as to why?

I take extreme offense to your comparison of me to Hanoi Jane, and for you to even intimate that 1. I'm against our troops and 2. should arm myself and go and fight them; shows that you are not thinking clearly.

Also your support to lower ourselves to their level, divorce ourselves from our societal beliefs, not to mention the accepted rules of war, by adopting barbarism to make a point is also an indication that your basis of reality and humanity has gone off the map.

I suspect its the emotionality of the close family relationship to the war that could cause you to make such ludicrous statements. That too probably accounts for the great degree of misplaced anger you choose to vent on me.

The troops that are there are doing what they are told. That is a Soldiers charge. My issue never has, and would never be with a Soldier doing his duty. My issue has always been with the indivdules who are keeping our troops there.

I don't know what or any "News" that you watch, but they have been interviewing some of our guys over there, and I was quite surprised by the anti war/we want out/bring us home comments that some of the Soldiers were willing to make in front of a camera. I hope that none will be punished for their actions. But, as you pointed out in your personal attack against me, that is no mind set for a Soldier to be in. It leads to dead Soldiers. I agree, and I believe that that is another strong reason as to bring our people home.

There is nothing that I can do or say to lessen the pain you feel about the injury/death that your nephew suffered. And I am sincerely sorry for your loss. I will forgive you for your voiciforous attack, and write it off as a crime of passion.

But for the thousands of nephews and nieces, aunts, uncles, brothers, sisters, moms, dads, sons and daughters that are over there and haven't become a casualty yet, I feel I owe it to them in the very least to get them home safe so that no other family has to go through what your has unnecessarily.

Peace to you and yours.

RAM, some days I take extreme offense to the things you say and some days I just let them go by. I told you right up front in my last post that this time its personal. I've got family over there getting shot at and it upsets me. All you seem to want to do is somehow try to turn back the clock to a time before this all happened and then somehow stop it. Well, that ain't gonna happen. You seem to have a very simplistic view of government that amounts to "liberty good, government bad". You also seem to feel that if you talk long enough and loud enough and rudely enough, (although you seem to have contained yourself rather well this time) that your view of things will be proven true in the end. Kinda like yelling at someone who doesn't understand english so that they'll understand you better. So you take offense because you feel that I've attacked you. RAM, you've been attacking people as long as I've been following this forum and the old G&K before it and now you have the effrontery to take offense because you feel you've been attacked!!!!







Kindly point out the lies and libel.







I could but I'm sure you would find it just as inexplicable as you've found everything else so far.







Don't believe that I said you were against the troops and that you should arm yourself and fight them. More like a political attack on those you think are enforcing the wrong policy. Think you're reading a different meaning than the one I wrote. Maybe it was too subtle for you.







You're showing your ignorance again. In war the object is to win. War is not a game. War is barbarism personified! Anyone who thinks it isn't is an idiot. Having said that, I said nothing in my previous post that advocates violating the rules of land warfare. What I said was that it was foolish and naive to think that people in other countries think and react like we do. Knowing a little bit about the rules of land warfare, I don't see where turning the bodies of criminals over to the local government authorities to do with as they choose would be a violation. But I'm sure you know much more about it than I do so kindly explain.



Oh, by the way, war is pretty much the family business, and for a long time busness was good.







As I said before, I said that right up front. Don't know that the anger is particularly misplaced though since people like you, no matter how well meaning you think you are, are simply picking at an open wound. Don't think I've written anything particularly ludicrous either.







I'm sure I understand at least as well as you do what a soldiers duty is. If you have a problem with the individuals whom you believe are keeping the troops there for no reason then take it up with them. I'm all for you getting them home. Go ahead, make it happen. Bye the bye, how would you feel about their charge if they were charged with going to your house and taking your guns away. Its easy to say you're for the troops but against the government but when it comes right down to it its pretty hard to separate one from the other. Lots of shades of gray there.







Don't watch a lot of TV. Haven't watched network news for years. Its mostly propaganda and we all know it. No matter what the person being interviewed is really saying, its all in the editing. Another thing to keep in mind is that soldiers always bitch and soldiers always want to go home. No one, least of all a soldier, wants to travel to some far away place and fight a war and then get stuck there for what will seem like forever. Most people that haven't spent much time around soldiers are usually amazed at what they get away with saying. That's one of the differences between an American soldier and any other soldier in the world. To big media though its a big story when they bitch because big media has an agenda. Just for the record, are you forming your opinion based on what you see on the news or are you watching the news to find stories that support your opinion?







Forget about it. This time no one died, he'll get over it and so will we. Its kinda like flying. Any landing you walk away from is a good one. "What doesn't kill me makes me stronger."







Funny, I don't recall asking for your forgiveness. If I ever feel a need I will. Got to be careful about that though. I wouldn't want it to lead to taking long warm romantic showers together.







As I said above, if you can make that happen then do it. Somehow though I just don't think you've got that much pull.







If you really mean that then leave us in peace and expend your energy plaguing your government rather than us.



Having said all that and probably having offended you further, I'll go this far. I'll let it go if you will.

Gee I don't know Skid, did I ? Here's what you said



To continue to try to have a dialog with someone in such an emotional state as that they can not recall what they said would be futile. Also, for me to continue to allow a person in such a state to vent their hostilities upon me would be ridiculas.

Therefore, on one thing I guess we can agree. To end this dialog.

Even though apparently the grenade thing is no big deal to you anymore(?) best to your nephew on a safe return soon.

Show me any reference to arming yourself and/or bearing arms against our soldiers in the original post or anything I have written since then. While I could have worded it better so as to spell out to you that what I was discussing was a symbolic attack I gave you credit for being intelligent enough to figure out something I think you are deliberately misunderstanding.



I didn't say that it wasn't a big deal to ME. I told YOU to forget about it. Again a deliberate misunderstanding on your part.



Apparently not. You had to make another post. Lose the spin and the agenda RAM. If your argument has merit use it. If not cut your losses and move on.

I like the fact that our troops killed them, I hope they are able to kill the whole Hussein family, I think the whole damn deck of cards should be killed.

Dan

Newspapers here and abroad print the news with headlines like BARBARIC! and columns denouncing the release of the corpse photos -- then publish the photos themselves. Has hypocrisy plunged to new depths, or what? Don't stop with just releasing corpse photos. Take 'em all to the taxidermist, then put 'em on tour -- especially So Damn Insane when we get 'im.

We're also taking flak for not burying the sons' corpses according to Arab or Muslim custom (before sundown the day of death). So let this be a sign unto them that such animals neither deserve nor will receive such honor but have forfeited it by their savage depravities.

(No, I'm not interested in debating the matter with any of these animals' contentious sympathizers.)

Geez, what a match of wits.
I think it stinks that our troops are in a war of attrition against holdout Saddamites, never mind the Shiitehead mullahs ranting and raving. Like most theocrats, their mind is made up.
Departing Iraq now simply betrays those who laid it down, making all those deaths utterly pointless with no redeeming end result for the living. I don't think so.
I just heard through the back door about a Pew Trust poll of other nationalities and the striking number was that comparatively few believe that an individual can control his or her own destiny, while in American and Canada, 65 and 63 percent believe otherwise.
The difference? The US is a republic that believes in individual rights, and the Canadians hear about that all the time because American media is relatively dominant. In the socialistic and worse states of the rest of the world, unless you have the right connections to get the government to pick a good niche for you, you're stuck in your rut, left to fate.
It's scary that we are trying to change such a pervasive mindset for the Iraquis and say, Hey, you CAN choose a better country! That's why we're here, you MORONS!