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Originally Posted by dennisinaz
The difference at 50 yards is almost 2 feet. Do the math

Assuming the 150fps difference were maintained at 50 yards (it would not be), the slower load would be in the air 0.01 second longer. During this time an object traveling at 30mph would cover 5.3 inches. This maximum difference would only apply if the coyote were running absolutely broadside, which is unlikely. These are my numbers and I'm sticking with them. Unless someone points out that I'm wrong, which is never impossible :-)

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Originally Posted by dennisinaz
The difference at 50 yards is almost 2 feet. Do the math

Please show me. I could be wrong, it has happened in the past once or twice. smile


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Originally Posted by WMR
Originally Posted by dennisinaz
The difference at 50 yards is almost 2 feet. Do the math

Assuming the 150fps difference were maintained at 50 yards (it would not be), the slower load would be in the air 0.01 second longer. During this time an object traveling at 30mph would cover 5.3 inches. This maximum difference would only apply if the coyote were running absolutely broadside, which is unlikely. These are my numbers and I'm sticking with them. Unless someone points out that I'm wrong, which is never impossible :-)

You are correct in the fact that the extra velocity of the high velocity round shot pellet would be mostly shed at the 50 yard mark. The faster you start the round ball, the faster it slows. The difference in velocity at 50 yards between the two loads would be low, negligible for a hunting situation. All that factored on a target at 90* to the shooter. Changing the angle changes the lead. All that math is in hard numbers and amounts to inches on the calculator. Hunters in the field with a shotgun miss by feet not inches at 50 yards.


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Your math is flawed.
I used the BC for the shot. The velocity difference is 360 fps. I used 30 mph for coyote. Actual difference is like 23 inches


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I watched the coyote hunting video at the Mojo booth at SHOT last week 5 or 6 times. They shot behind the coyotes multiple times. You could clearly see the shot charge impact. I asked them what they were using. Told me Apex.
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Didn't take long for this thread to run off the rails! LOL!

Question for you guys shooting #4's and #2's:

Are you trying to "body slam" turkeys or do you aim for the head or neck? 🤔

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Originally Posted by dennisinaz
Your math is flawed.
I used the BC for the shot. The velocity difference is 360 fps. I used 30 mph for coyote. Actual difference is like 23 inches

????? The velocities you quoted were 1500 vs 1350. No way does that ever yield a 360fps difference. Even if it did, which is fantasy, a 30mph target would never cover that distance. The difference in time of flight is still very small. Not sure what BC would have to do with anything. At least we agree on the speed of the coyote!

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BC is meaningless trying to apply to round balls. The faster the pellet acceleration, the faster it slows.


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I figger if I can hit a crossing clay with that Mossberg, I can hit a running yote……..


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Probably so. The difference is a crossing clay has a predictable flight path and steady speed surrounded by nothing but air. Coyotes coming in and especially going out from a calling stand are anything but predictable. Especially when zigging and zagging and bouncing away in timber, sage or brushy country.


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Originally Posted by WMR
Originally Posted by dennisinaz
Your math is flawed.
I used the BC for the shot. The velocity difference is 360 fps. I used 30 mph for coyote. Actual difference is like 23 inches

????? The velocities you quoted were 1500 vs 1350. No way does that ever yield a 360fps difference. Even if it did, which is fantasy, a 30mph target would never cover that distance. The difference in time of flight is still very small. Not sure what BC would have to do with anything. At least we agree on the speed of the coyote!


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