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I’m posing this question full knowing that pistols are less than ideal for any bear but the conversation came up and I think it has some merit for discussion. I run with a crew that hunts black bear in Michigan with hounds so, this doesn’t include grizzly. Some of us carry our carry sidearms for trash (coons,coyotes etc) and the question comes up if we we’re caught with our pants down with a bear (no rifle,just pistol) is our load capable of saving our hide and which bullet is better for the task. The debate boiled down to is a hollow point or FMJ better for the job. We all happen to carry Semi autos of 40 S&W and 45 ACP flavor as these are concealed carry rigs. And, I’m looking into a 10 mm for this reason. Fortunately none of us ever had to rely on our pistols for this over the years so none of us have any “real” experience saying which is better. Points brought up are hollow points dump energy better with a counter point of a pistol round won’t impress a bear with energy and penetrating vitals would be better. Both valid arguments. What say you?

FMJ should have a flat metplat for better effect than a round nose that slips through tissue without creating a big wound channel, and can be easily turned from a straight line of penetration after impact.

Bears being chased by dogs and shot at will likely be seeking flight rather than fight. Still if hunting in a group, a backup man with 12ga slugs could offer insurance of a sort. Just sayin'.

Break bones and deep penetration are key.

Hard cast lead with a substantial meplat is the go-to.

A 230gr SWC at +P level would be my choice in my 1911 45 ACP. No experience hunting bears but that bullet would cut a wide and very deep wound channel with enough mass to break bones. If I remember correctly, 8.5 grains of Power Pistol is the load used under 230 gold dots. Snappy recoil but manageable. The gold dot at that level is rough on coyotes. Never did stop one, exited every time.

Trust me, we roll with fast handling 12ga and 3 inch Brenekke slugs and, normally they want to run the opposite direction. But, when they get over the 400 pound mark they can have a little attitude and want to slap things around before they leave. Usually those ones get shot with the rifle immediately. More of a “what if” question for conversation and I’m right with you. We often wonder about it though when we’re out checking baits and cameras as that’s when we’re a little lackadaisical. Pretty much hopping out of the truck with the phone in one hand and a bucket in the other and not paying attention. That would be about the time that a cranky boar would want to shag us off “his”bait.

Anyone try those Lehigh Defense bullets?

Get a box of those heavy "Bear Loads" from Mackay Sagebrush for your 45 auto, he knows his way around good, heavy loads that will handle big animals.

Dick

Energy…….The vast majority of handgun bullets have so little energy upon impact, it’s of zero consequence! Energy is vastly overrated!

Small bears, a quality JHP will probably work adequately. However, I’ll carry “only” heavy for caliber, wide metplat, cast bullets in my hunting handgun! My only bear kill with a handgun was with a cast bullet! memtb

I don't go anywhere near Bear country without my 44Mag. I also keep my 500 around when camping. If you can only get one shot off you better make it count. I figure 2500 foot pounds of energy from my 450gn casting should get-r-done.

Montana Bullet Works has some good looking hard cast 200 grain bullets in 10mm/40 cal.

If you are into the reloading part of shooting, the powder Enforcer is relatively new, I think, and it capable of generating some great velocities without a corresponding increase normally seen in pressure for the 45ACP.

I have recently tried it in some loads I'm working on, 230g cast, and have shot them through a Commander with great results. However I haven't shot them through my chronograph for documentation purposes yet. The recoil was a notable increase yet the cases weren't ejecting into the next county. I think this powder has some great potential for use in 45ACP rounds for this kind of work dealing with bears

Pass through shots with a hardcast “bear bullet” might pose a danger to the dogs or your partners. I ‘d be tempted to use a tough soft point in black bear country.

FWIW, I live in MI “bear country “ and feel perfectly safe with my 9mm. I’m not hunting them though.

Here is your answer. Be it 9mm, .40 S&W, .357 Magnum, .45 ACP, or 10mm Mac has a good solid working load with a hard cast flat point at good working velocities. He has a website to order from.

What bullet do you use?

When we are on a bear with the hounds we are usually carrying a rifle if you’re the shooter or a 12 ga with slugs if you’re the backup. When we are most likely to be caught off guard is first thing in the morning when we’re checking baits and cameras and we are hopping out of the truck and not grabbing a gun besides the one on our hip. This is what inspired the conversation as one of the guys had jumped a not so afraid young boar off the bait.
I fired a PM off to Mackey Sagebrush and got some solid advice. I’m likely going to get a heavier aftermarket spring for my Sig 229 40 and some of his ammo. Likely pick up a couple hundred 200 grain hard cast from Montana Bullet Works as well.

Do you handload or do you plan to for the .40 S&W with hard cast? I plan to start handloading for both of my 10mm’s and .40 S&W. I ran some hard cast 200 gr. Bullets last summer in my .40 S&W while out ATVing in griz country. My main concern is lack of velocity of factory and boutique loaded hard casts.

I have several pistols for Woods Protection.

One is a Ruger 4.62" SuperBlackhawk. The load for it is a Beartooth Bullets 300 grain WFN at 1200 fps. These bullets don't seem to be available now, but Montana Bullet Works looks to have suitable replacements.

Next are one each in .45 Super, a 5 inch 1911 and a Glock 21. Both using the same load, which has been a Missouri Bullet Company 255 grain "Pinbuster" at about 1050 fps, or a Montana Bullet Works 250 grain LFN GC just slightly slower, about 1037 fps.

I also have two 460 Rowlands again a 1911 and a Glock 21. The 1911 is a Clark conversion, which seems to be well done. The other is an Authentic 460 Rowland kit in the Glock. I'm still shooting test loads in the Glock, but both seem to like the MBW 250 LFN GC a lot, which I'm loading just above Super levels. I'm going to try out the Hunter's Supply 275, looking to get 1050 fps out of them, my test load went 985 fps, so that goal seems reasonable.

Glock 45 Super.



1911s, Rowland on top.


Meplats of the Pinbuster and the LFN GC.

Itl been over 40 years since I bought my last black bear tag, and I really only hunted 2 balck bears. Both were DIY spot and stalk hunts resulting in one shot kills. Here's the bullets that I cast and used...


And my first black bear...

I handload and plan on replacing the recoil and firing pin in my Sig 229. I’m going to run some +P hard cast 200’s and some 180 HP to see what kind of performance I get. Keep in mind I’m hunting in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. Only black bear here. Some biggins but no grizz. Couple wolves and a mountain lion or two. If I were in grizz country I’d be upping the ante a bit.

Having shot many deer with various bullet types and settling on LSWC led me to loading those in my .40 S&W for most uses.

However, I'm not necessarily in the "heavy for caliber" camp. Now it's 200 - 215 grain bullets in the .44 and 160 - 180 in the .40. all solids.

I use LSWC because I've not yet experimented with the WFN bullets. If they perform as advertised and expected (punched hole, not torn hole) I will have no qualms with them but will continue to avoid the "heavy for caliber" bullet. IE: 300gr in .44 and 200gr in the .40.

Having shot many deer with various bullet types and settling on LSWC led me to loading those in my .40 S&W for most uses including bear, pig, dog, etc.

However, I'm not necessarily in the "heavy for caliber" camp. Now it's 200 - 215 grain bullets in the .44 and 160 - 180 in the .40. all solids.

I use LSWC because I've not yet experimented with the WFN bullets. If they perform as advertised and expected (punched hole, not torn hole) I will have no qualms with them but will continue to avoid the "heavy for caliber" bullet. IE: 300gr in .44 and 200gr in the .40.

I have 10mm 200 grain hardcast flatpoint predator penetrator loads in the classifieds right now. They run 1150 FPS in a standard Glock (versus a longslide).

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...1/10-mm-bear-predator-loads#Post18177211


I will be doing another run of the Heavy 250 grain +P .45 ACP Bear/Predator hardcast loads in about 10 days or so.

Though both are designed to get the job done and penetrate deep, the heavy .45 load is a personal favorite and one I carry quite often in parts of Montana and Idaho that are thick with Grizzlies. A lot of that has to do with the fact that I often carry a 1911, and use one as a dual purpose gun for trail and town, even though I consider the Glock 21 a better tool for the woods due to weight and capacity.

The 200g xtp is what I carry in my 10mms if I'm just in black bear country. I load them at 1150fps over Longshot. I've ran them up to 1250fps but they seem to expand more and penetrate a bit less at that speed. At 1150 they expand a decent amount and penetrate well and function reliably with quick follow ups and don't seem to be too hard on the gun.

In grizzly area I carry a 200g wfn hard cast with a check at 1250. They have a .300" meplat and round nose from there. I used to carry laser cast 180g tc flat nose but I prefer the round flat nose with the wider meplat to the tc.

I ran the laser cast 180 tc before I started casting again and ran it at 1150 from a 40 over Longshot and 1300 in the 10s. They are a pretty hard bullet and a dozen years ago many shops I'm idaho stocked them.

Bb

Burley boy, what wnfp 200 grain 10mm bullet are you running? You cast your own or buy?

I'm loading my son's 10mm but shot a 45 super myself. Was going with the 250 grain but have switched to the 215 grain wfn from Missouri . I feel like the added speed has better performance than the higher bullet weight.

At least a 44 mag, with at least a heavy loaded , hard cast 300gr bullet. Anything less is insufficient. Anything more you can handle is better. Don't kid your self on this.

The 200g cast 10mm I've been shooting lately is actually a factory loaded grizzly ammo round that I bought a bunch of on sale a few years ago. I've been casting mostly 175s or 180s and I. Looking for a good 200 grain mold. I'm trying to get m&p to make one that steps down to .390 right ahead of were it'd crimp and rounds down to a .300 meplat.like these grizzly rounds. I want the initial drop to .390 to make throating powder coated bullets no problem.

I know what I want I just need to figure out how to get it made. I want cup point and hollow point pins along with the flat point. I'm liking what I'm seeing with some cup point medium hardness designs. A little expansion to about bore diameter with good penetration. Getting ready to test some 420 grain cup point 45-70 stuff now that the weather is warming up. The kids have emptied enough milk jugs to run a few tests.

Bb

That 215gr from MBC really interests me. How wide is the meplat? I realize it is likely an SWC with a long wide nose - not a true WFN. But it appears to give you the most you can do in a stock 1911.
I don't know why, but wide meplats penetrate better - my guess is the resistance of material sliding down the sides is less.

dla, I think it is about a 0.355" meplat. Not quite as wide or as a sharp edge as Montana Bullet works but close and I feel like performs very well for cheaper.