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Anyone here ever learn it as an adult? 2nd or 3rd language?

How hard/easy etc - good resources?

I have a new customer and being able to speak some would be most beneficial.


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Can’t help on resources but making an effort to learn even a few words and sentences is usually appreciated by the native speaker.


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Originally Posted by navlav8r
Can’t help on resources but making an effort to learn even a few words and sentences is usually appreciated by the native speaker.

This. Or do you need to speak some degree of fluency? I have found Asian languages are, many times, hard for the purely Western speaker. Tones/intonation being the most difficult.

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Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by navlav8r
Can’t help on resources but making an effort to learn even a few words and sentences is usually appreciated by the native speaker.

This. Or do you need to speak some degree of fluency? I have found Asian languages are, many times, hard for the purely Western speaker. Tones/intonation being the most difficult.

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I disagree. I personally found Japanese to be easier than Spanish.


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Originally Posted by nyrifleman
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by navlav8r
Can’t help on resources but making an effort to learn even a few words and sentences is usually appreciated by the native speaker.

This. Or do you need to speak some degree of fluency? I have found Asian languages are, many times, hard for the purely Western speaker. Tones/intonation being the most difficult.

Ymmv

I disagree. I personally found Japanese to be easier than Spanish.


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I can swear in three languages but that’s not one of them. Sorry.

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Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by navlav8r
Can’t help on resources but making an effort to learn even a few words and sentences is usually appreciated by the native speaker.

This. Or do you need to speak some degree of fluency? I have found Asian languages are, many times, hard for the purely Western speaker. Tones/intonation being the most difficult.

Ymmv

I'd like to be conversational. I know learning on my own I'll never be 3/3/2


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Originally Posted by Teal
Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by navlav8r
Can’t help on resources but making an effort to learn even a few words and sentences is usually appreciated by the native speaker.

This. Or do you need to speak some degree of fluency? I have found Asian languages are, many times, hard for the purely Western speaker. Tones/intonation being the most difficult.

Ymmv

I'd like to be conversational. I know learning on my own I'll never be 3/3/2

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Never tried to really learn it, but I know Chinese is very tonal.

"ma" with different tones means a lot of different things.

I don't do well with diacritical marks, but I found a web page that explains what I heard a Chinese person explain once;

https://www.fluentu.com/blog/chinese/chinese-ma/

at my age I'd rather go back and refresh my Italian skills than attempt Chinese, and that probably holds for Korean.


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Originally Posted by Valsdad
Never tried to really learn it, but I know Chinese is very tonal.

"ma" with different tones means a lot of different things.

I don't do well with diacritical marks, but I found a web page that explains what I heard a Chinese person explain once;

https://www.fluentu.com/blog/chinese/chinese-ma/

at my age I'd rather go back and refresh my Italian skills than attempt Chinese, and that probably holds for Korean.


You can quickly call your "host mom" a horse and a few other things with "ma."

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Eta: didn't read the link before posting...sorry!

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Hangul is a hard language to pick up.
I can remember a few terms dealing with POW commands.
Remember cuss words ( of course)
Did 3 tours their.
Had more of a grasp during those times of simple stuff.

It is a guttural and tonal fast spoken language.
Alot of words have multiple meanings with just jslight variance in how you pronounce them.


Honestly it is easier for a Korean to learn English than it is for American to learn Hangul.

IIRC in their school system they are required to take English for 5 yrs.

Might not be the same now.
But most Koreans that were not ancient serpent types know some functional english.
Alot of em play like they don't to their advantage.

Work out something concern money with em and language is a issue.
Walk away .

The English will come out to make the deal then they play like a language barrier wasn't thing before.
They was just trying to get top dollar out of you.

That's another thing about Korean culture.
Set prices really ain't set prices but ya gotta test the boundary of price.

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Originally Posted by Teal
Anyone here ever learn it as an adult? 2nd or 3rd language?

How hard/easy etc - good resources?

I have a new customer and being able to speak some would be most beneficial.



I only learned enough back in the day to order a beer, food and negotiate with a hooker.


Currently learning Polish using the Duo Lingo app. It's surprisingly fast.


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Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by Valsdad
Never tried to really learn it, but I know Chinese is very tonal.

"ma" with different tones means a lot of different things.

I don't do well with diacritical marks, but I found a web page that explains what I heard a Chinese person explain once;

https://www.fluentu.com/blog/chinese/chinese-ma/

at my age I'd rather go back and refresh my Italian skills than attempt Chinese, and that probably holds for Korean.


You can quickly call your "host mom" a horse and a few other things with "ma."

Ymmv

Eta: didn't read the link before posting...sorry!
Ha ha,

I think that's what the Chinese person was explaining the one time I heard that discussion!


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Originally Posted by Teal
Anyone here ever learn it as an adult? 2nd or 3rd language?

How hard/easy etc - good resources?

I have a new customer and being able to speak some would be most beneficial.

does your customer speak english? may be there are other ways of connecting with him/her.

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No help at all I know but I just watched a Korean movie this week, Broker, decent movie made by and for Koreans. So they’d be talking along to subtitles. Sounded fast and tonal as all get out, hard to pick out individual words.

Like I said, no help at all but if ya wanna hear 2hrs and 20 minutes of non-stop Korean this a movie for it….



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I used to be able to carry on a conversation, but that was years ago. There are apps that can give you more than the basics. The one that I was playing around with a year or so ago didn't seem to have the pronunciation like I remembered it, but it was free. Here is the basics on Koreans, they have been bending people over for over 5000 years, we have only been at it for a couple hundred. If you take 10 Koreans and charge them one nickel to see an Elephant [bleep] in a coke bottle, three would walk off grumbling about having spent a nickel, four would demand their money back, and the remaining three would want want to buy the Elephant.

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Slavic languages have *got* to be the most difficult. Learning the meaning of the words is only a part of it. Being able to say the word even after you've heard it takes a lot of vocal gymnastics.

"Z" is a vowel in Polish, apparently.

Example: "Przemyśl" means industry.

If I ever go to Poland I won't be able to talk about industry because I can't pronounce it.

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