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Skywag,

When you get a chance can we get more pics of the opposite side of the stocks and maybe a few from different angles?

Beretzs, if you buy one of these, you could always sell me Bob's old rifle...

The owners of Pacific Research got hold of a Cloward stock, put it on a pantomime, and built the molds off of it. Cloward had nothing to do with it, and I was told, wasn't asked for permission. Apparently he didn't care.

I had several PR stocks.

Beautiful rifles Skywag.

Don’t take offense, but that rifle will never leave my paws till I’m room temperature.

He also built built some of the best cross the course and Palma rifles I have ever handled.
I have a 338-06 rifle with a Mauser Rimrock/Borden stock FS on the classifieds. Best ergos of all my synthetics

That’s great intel Brad. Thanks for that.

He looked like a helluva smith.

This is where it came from - 2008 thread …

Thanks AK. That is right from the horses mouth. Borden later called that stock the Rimrock as well.. Great ergos on that one. If I find another one cheap, I'm going to snag it...

All of those things could still be true.

Yes - I do think they are, because Jim Borden told me about the Cloward stock being pantomimed. I bought two from Jim over twenty years ago when they were call Rimrock's. But I'm a bit hazy on the details, as this was around 2001.

I'm looking at a beautiful one right now. Scoped with an older gloss Leupold and $2,000.00. Doesn't seem like a bad deal.

If you decide not to buy it, please forward me the info on that rifle!

It's an oddball. Not too many here would want it. However, it is a beautiful rifle. Price is also a reflection of the oddball cartridge it houses. I contacted the seller and he has not responded yet. Probably a gunshop that is not open on Monday's, like so many of them out there. If I end up buying it, I'll start a thread on it.

Except they built M70's, Mausers, Rugers, and 700 stocks. I spoke with Jim several times. And he told me he built the patterns for the original Rimrock PR stocks. Doesn't make any difference. They are top shelf stocks.

I was just asking my buddy that dealt with Cloward a lot throughout the years beginning way back when he had his tiny shop just north of the Aurora bridge. When we were reminiscing my buddy said “you know the very first time I walked into his shop I almost walked out immediately. I have dealt with opinionated ass holes in the the gunsmithing industry mostly the old timers but I had never met anyone more opinionated and rude as I had the first time I met Cloward. I didn’t walk out and I’m glad because once I figured out how to deal with him he was a great resource for pre-64 Winchester model 70’s.”

Cloward is still alive but he’s dealing with “late stage dementia” and perhaps Parkinson’s. He was without a doubt a gifted gunsmith that was a great with pre-64 model 70’s.

VarmintFinger….I’m glad that you love your Cloward model 70’s I’m sure they’re very decent for the money.

PS….That’s a pretty amazing story.. what with you investigating a robbery at his shop and all you guys were probably as close as brothers. 😂

Did you actually CATCH the robbers (burglars)?….finish the story. Sheesh.

I like that story. He sure knew his way around a pre 64 model 70.

Without a doubt he knew the pre-64 model 70 as well as anyone. He was one of the “old school” gunsmiths that took pride in his craftsmanship and it showed.

It shows in every one of his rifles builds. They are beautiful.