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Has anyone actually seen any? I like to hunt with my old Winchester 37 which means 2 3/4". I'm happy with using old Winchester #6 magnums but thought I would try these if they actually exist. People think you need at least 3" to kill something so that's what they make.

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Winchester catalogs them loaded with #5 shot at 1300 fps.

https://winchester.com/Products/Ammunition/Shotshell/Long-Beard-XR?compare=%7B%22ids%22%3A%5B%22%23STLB125%22%5D%7D

No, I've never seen them for sale in stores. MidwayUSA carries them, but they aren't in stock. Put yourself on the waitlist for them and buy them the moment you get a notice. I don't think they are all that popular for the reason you stated. But if MidwayUSA gets some people on their waitlist, they'll request some from Winchester.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1018439972?pid=227786




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A box of high velocity #8's should serve you just as well and be a lot cheaper.
I normally use the 1 1/8 oz load at 1250fps. They work great.

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I'm assuming 12ga?


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Originally Posted by blairvt
Has anyone actually seen any? I like to hunt with my old Winchester 37 which means 2 3/4". I'm happy with using old Winchester #6 magnums but thought I would try these if they actually exist. People think you need at least 3" to kill something so that's what they make.


Why change if you're happy with your old duck loads of Winchester #6 magnums? I'm stilling using my old duck loads of Winchester #4's. Not reason to look for something else---I'll start looking after I use the last #4.

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I have never shot the 2 3/4" shells but the #6 3" shells patterned every well out of my 870


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Originally Posted by colorado bob
Originally Posted by blairvt
Has anyone actually seen any? I like to hunt with my old Winchester 37 which means 2 3/4". I'm happy with using old Winchester #6 magnums but thought I would try these if they actually exist. People think you need at least 3" to kill something so that's what they make.


Why change if you're happy with your old duck loads of Winchester #6 magnums? I'm stilling using my old duck loads of Winchester #4's. Not reason to look for something else---I'll start looking after I use the last #4.
probably right. Never had a problem killing them

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Years ago I used the old red hulled 2 3/4" Double XX Magnum #6's to kill a lot of birds.


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For turkey we hunt the Winchester XR shells exclusively in 2 3/4 or 3" because of the results on long-range birds that hold up at the 50 yard line or so.

A couple of years back I took a Jake at a measured 66 yds yards hitting him with at least 4 pellets, breaking his wing and thigh bones 1" down from the joint at the body, with 1 pellet found in the breast and 1 in the neck. The pellet that was found in the breast cavity lodged against keel and bruised the heart!! I was amazed the way that bird dropped when he was hit.

We use the Carlson XR choke tubes or other tight tubes like the Promos "Tightwads" measuring in around .675 - .660 and seriously pattern our guns before season. The only draw backs are on closer shots where the patterns are TOO tight. When the birds are under 25 yards its best to aim for the base of the wattles so you don't shoot over top of their heads. wink

BTW the 3 1/2" shells are TOO much and a pain to pattern and shoot. smile


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Originally Posted by olgrouser
For turkey we hunt the Winchester XR shells exclusively in 2 3/4 or 3" because of the results on long-range birds that hold up at the 50 yard line or so.

A couple of years back I took a Jake at a measured 66 yds yards hitting him with at least 4 pellets, breaking his wing and thigh bones 1" down from the joint at the body, with 1 pellet found in the breast and 1 in the neck. The pellet that was found in the breast cavity lodged against keel and bruised the heart!! I was amazed the way that bird dropped when he was hit.

We use the Carlson XR choke tubes or other tight tubes like the Promos "Tightwads" measuring in around .675 - .660 and seriously pattern our guns before season. The only draw backs are on closer shots where the patterns are TOO tight. When the birds are under 25 yards its best to aim for the base of the wattles so you don't shoot over top of their heads. wink

BTW the 3 1/2" shells are TOO much and a pain to pattern and shoot. smile
where did you find the 2 3/4"?

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I've killed them at 60 yards by accident when my estimate was off. I will not INTENTIONALLY shoot one over 40ish... If I can't
get him closer, he wins... as it should be.


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Originally Posted by blairvt
Originally Posted by olgrouser
For turkey we hunt the Winchester XR shells exclusively in 2 3/4 or 3" because of the results on long-range birds that hold up at the 50 yard line or so.

A couple of years back I took a Jake at a measured 66 yds yards hitting him with at least 4 pellets, breaking his wing and thigh bones 1" down from the joint at the body, with 1 pellet found in the breast and 1 in the neck. The pellet that was found in the breast cavity lodged against keel and bruised the heart!! I was amazed the way that bird dropped when he was hit.

We use the Carlson XR choke tubes or other tight tubes like the Promos "Tightwads" measuring in around .675 - .660 and seriously pattern our guns before season. The only draw backs are on closer shots where the patterns are TOO tight. When the birds are under 25 yards its best to aim for the base of the wattles so you don't shoot over top of their heads. wink

BTW the 3 1/2" shells are TOO much and a pain to pattern and shoot. smile
where did you find the 2 3/4"?
See if Winchester offers a Rooster XR in the shot size you want.


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Originally Posted by Nessmuk
I'm assuming 12ga?

12 and 16 gauge, mostly 12.

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"... For turkey we hunt the Winchester XR shells exclusively in 2 3/4 or 3" because of the results on long-range birds that hold up at the 50 yard line or so. ..."

I don't understand? Turkey's don't carry laser range finders nor have the ones I've hunted been schooled on the range of various shot shells.
What is the magic of a bird "holding up at 50 yards"?


"... at least 4 pellets, breaking his wing and thigh bones 1" down from the joint at the body, with 1 pellet found in the breast and 1 in the neck. ..."

"bruised his heart"?
How about the one to the neck?
Think that may have interrupted the CNS?
Do you body shoot birds or do you aim at the head and neck?

....and what is the fascination with attempting to kill birds at extreme ranges?
I've killed two birds that had #5 shot embedded in the back of their legs. Parting shot from a hopeful hunter?

Phil Bourjaily wrote an article about ammo that allowed turkey hunters to "reliably" kill birds at 60 yards!
I wonder how many hunters bought the "magic" ammo and lost birds they shot at out of range?

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"where did you find the 2 3/4"?"

We had a steady supply of XR shotshells available at CT up here north of the border.


MS, you like ask to questions. Some denoting disbelief, some mocking, others sarcastic in tone.

I will try to entertain your queries. I was frustrated with this turkey and took an instinctive shot at the red head of a bird as he was trying to sneak across a gas easement from hardwoods to the roosting area in the pines. I spent a morning calling, poorly as usual, and the only response I heard was a shock gooble from a bird down in the hollow by a creek about 100 yrs away when a low flying plane flew overhead. I had stood up to leave in the blind, stretching getting ready to pack it in when I saw the bird and he made me. I shot!! The jake dropped at the report.

A few weeks before I shot the boss tom from the same blind with XR shot at 17 paces. Very tight pattern, maybe even TOO tight at that range. Photo credits to the land owner:


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Yes, I too have recovered birds with old shot healed over and embedded in the legs and bodies of birds. Stuff happens.


Don't know where you hail from, but in Ontario the 1 1/8th # 8 skeet loads you recommend are available but deemed illegal by the MNR for the ethical harvesting of turkeys. Just saying...

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"... MS, you like ask to questions. Some denoting disbelief, some mocking, others sarcastic in tone.

Yes, I too have recovered birds with old shot healed over and embedded in the legs and bodies of birds. Stuff happens.


Don't know where you hail from, but in Ontario the 1 1/8th # 8 skeet loads you recommend are available but deemed illegal by the MNR for the ethical harvesting of turkeys. Just saying...

Cheers! ...:

Yeah, that was a bit sarcastic. But by that same token, I have been treated sarcastically for my beliefs in turkey ammo.

Let me back up a bit.
As a young man back in the mid 70's, I did quite a bit of duck hunting with a group. Everybody was shooting #4's.
That's when Remington came out with their "Nitro-Mag" ammo with the shot buffer.
I have no idea how many ducks I shot at, heard the shot hit the duck and the duck kept flying. They may have died somewhere in their flight pattern or at roost days later.
I was getting really frustrated.
I talked to my dad one day and told him what was going on. He told me to try some high velocity #9's!
What the heck! I didn't have anything to lose!
The next hunting trip, I made shots I couldn't believe and ended up top hunter of the day.
Of course, the guys laughed at me and my "high velocity #9's", but I kicked their butts and their Rem Nitro Mag #4's with buffer! πŸ˜‰

Later, a gunsmith laughed and told me. "Pattetn density kills, not shot size!"
Regardless of shot size, the more shot you put "on target" improves the chances of a mortal pellet strike.

When I started turkey hunting twenty years ago, I brought the #8 shot theory with me.
It hasn't failed me yet.

I gave up on that "poke and hope" shooting method you mentioned. If I can't get a bird within "range", 40 yards max just like somebody else mentioned above, the turkey wins!
That's why it's called "hunting", not "killing"! πŸ˜‰

I don't live in "Trudeauville", so I'm totally oblivious of Canadian rules and regs! 😐
In Oklahoma, you don't have to use nontoxic shot. You can't use a rifle in spring and you can't use shot bigger than #2's or a gun bigger than a 10 gauge.
You can even use a .410 if you wish! πŸ˜‰πŸ‘

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All good. Never got done to OK myself but would like to see that state.

The understanding you stated, "Pattern density kills, not shot size" is one I adhere to in upland bird hunting for woodcock and grouse. Too, I'm inclined to use smaller shot for density in turkey loads for the very reason stated. But our regs reads: "Shotgun not larger than 10 gauge or smaller than 20 gauge, using shot size of 4, 5, 6 or 7."

As far as our respective political leaders go and their policies regarding rules, regs and firearms are concerned I'm gonna bite my tongue and keep my head down because I may have more to lose than to gain by voicing my strong opposition.

But to stay focused to the OP - I think 2 3/4 XR shot in # 6s are a game changer, I just wish Winchester would produce some in #7 loads.

Cheers!


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How far will a lead #8 pellet break a turkey vertebrae or skull?


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Originally Posted by MOGC
How far will a lead #8 pellet break a turkey vertebrae or skull?

Glad you asked that question.

https://www.charlieelk.com/2017/06/16/beyond-the-patterning-board-x-rays-of-shot-turkey-headnecks/

I wrote this article for "charlieelk.com", unfortunately, that site is now defunct.

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Friend of my dads has a 2 3/4 inch gun and was having trouble finding "turkey loads" for it. I got him a box of 2 3/4" Fiocchi Golden Pheasant loaded with 5 shot. Kills them deader than hell. Best part is that those are 25 per box


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