Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Should .GOV pay property taxes to local counties?

There goes that damned pesky Constitution of the United States again.

Who was the damned idiot that thought it a good idea to prevent local or state .gov from taxing the Fed?

Can't we just abolish that pesky piece of paper?

Right at your fingertips...

And the facts and truth are right at yours. But being the good little fedgov commie you are, you turn a blind eye.

Correct, and unlike you, I'm smart enough to know the federal government has the right to own all the property they want.

Especially churches

That's your wet dream. But you can't seem to support it with facts.

Buzz... you seem obsessed with telling folks how smart you are and how dumb they are. Got it.

Do you pay more that $0.11 an acre in property taxes?

Do you think Uncle Sugar should pay or PILT at least the same amount as you on an equal Real asset?

LOCAL taxpayers would like lower property taxes with better services... do you deny this.

It is OK to answer me... without call yourself a genius again.

Frankly it is kinda laughable.

You voted to have the government we have now? I doubt that.

Sure I can...go look at a [bleep] map for your first clue.

Then let the real thinking kick in...article IV might help you in your quest for knowledge.

You do realize that many buildings that house Federal agencies are not federally owned correct? I work for a bureau within the DOI and we lease space in buildings that were owned by a local college and even the city. If taxes aren’t being paid by the entities that actually own the buildings, then take it up with them. We also pay a crap ton in local utilities and all of us own a house and vehicles we pay taxes on. It’s the same way when I was in the military and lived off base, I paid property taxes, tags for my car and personal property taxes as well depending on the state.

Oh, and the federal government recently ordered a study to see which jobs can go remote work, so the amount of office space they lease can be cut down. For many areas they want to cut lease spaces at, I can see it hurting the local economy.

Why do you find it appropriate for PILT to pay nearly 8.5 times more than a private citizen for the same exact assett?

I have no problem with PILT, no problem with 31 cents an acre for ag land, and no problem with paying my own property taxes.

Must suck to be a broke dick bitching about taxes all day long...

Once again, you lie. Why are you such a liar to support your socialistic politics?

It's really very basic knowledge that PILT is a small fraction of income to local govt vs actual property taxes. I know this because I've been involved at a local level where most of the county is BLM or Forest Circus land.

Why lie about it?

People above your pay grade seem to disagree with you as well.

https://www.risch.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2021/4/western-senators-introduce-more-pilt-act

Western Senators Introduce MORE PILT Act
April 1, 2021

WASHINGTON – U.S. Senators Jim Risch and Mike Crapo (both R-Idaho) joined U.S. Senator Mike Lee (R-Utah) in introducing the Making Obligations Right by Enlarging Payments in Lieu of Taxes Act, or MORE PILT Act. This bill would direct the Secretary of Interior to conduct a study on federal lands eligible for PILT payments to determine the actual property value of the land and the foregone property tax revenues that counties would have otherwise received.

“Every single county in Idaho relies on the PILT program to fund critical county services and compensate for the tax base lost to federal lands,” said Risch. “Unfortunately, these payments do not begin to make up for the actual revenue loss rural communities sustain. This legislation is a critical step to ensuring counties are made whole.”

“PILT payments are critical to rural Idaho counties that rely on the funds for essential services like roads and law enforcement,” said Crapo. “The MORE PILT Act would better reflect the value of land in Idaho owned by the federal government, in turn meeting the ongoing needs of those counties. The pandemic has stretched local budgets even thinner, and continued improvement on the PILT program will help these areas obtain a more sustainable funding stream.”

“Without a property tax base, and with woefully inadequate PILT payments, Western states and communities struggle to fund their schools, infrastructure, and vital community services,” said Lee. “This bill will help ensure that PILT payments more accurately reflect the lands’ value, so that the citizens of our public lands states have the means they need to both survive and thrive.”

Background: States, counties, and local governments are not able to collect property taxes on public lands in their jurisdictions. The Payments in Lieu of Taxes (PILT) program was established in 1977 to provide funding to offset the absence of property tax revenue. PILT payments have historically been a small fraction of what local governments would otherwise generate through property taxes, leaving rural communities in Western states with limited funds for essential infrastructure and services.

Learn to read... 🤡

PILT vs private revenue

You seem stuck on that one instance, and it sure disagrees with everything else I've ever learned about PILT.

You got that area of the Constitution that allows the fedgovs to own more land than anyone else in the US yet?

I didn't think so.

Article IV and Supreme court decisions...I'm not your secretary.

Ag land in most states have reduced tax rates, and for reasons that are obvious to anyone with a single firing brain cell...and I agree with the rates.

PILT in Wyoming pays substantially more, another thing I agree with.

Go find something else to bitch about or educate yourself if you want a serious discussion.

You are entitled to your socialistic opinion. It's well known here.

Seems the only time you dare show your face is when your commie policies are at risk.

Serious discussion, or not, I'll damn sure voice my opposition to things I know are wrong. If you don't care for that, you can GFY.

Clear enough?

My opinion is supported by facts and supreme court decisions regarding federal land ownership.

Tax rates and PILT are what they are, again based on facts.

If you want to challenge and change that, well, get off your ass and get with it. Your opinion amounts to exactly jack diddly chit.

I'm happy with federal land, happy about the legal precedence of same. Have no grievance with the taxes I pay, and happy to live in Wyoming surrounded by public lands.

I can't help people like you who seem miserable and unhappy with just about everything in your life.

It has to be tough to be such a miserable wretch, sitting on your ass, complaining about things you know you're not only wrong about, but are helpless to change in any way.

Glad to not be in your shoes...it would suck, big-time.

Clear enough?

Yeah, the Supreme Court has ruled against the constitution in more cases than this.

I'll stick to what was written, despite democrat placements of their policies over and above the constitution.

I'm so glad you aren't in my shoes too. Couldn't live with myself looking into your mirror... LOL.

Thanks...

Just like I initially posted... ZERO dollars in my county.

The actual payment in other counties is just plane ridiculous. Like less than a penny an acre paid by Uncle Sugar... in three of the wealthiest counties in America.

MATH MATTERS...

PILT sounds good on paper... but get into the weeds and it is a absolute joke.

Que Buzz...

"Everybody Is Stupid" O'Clock time.