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And speaking of stupid, for you guys that refuse to use a dot on a carry pistol, how many rounds, if any have you fired with a dot on your gun?

I went back and forth till it finally clicked, now I won’t buy a pistol that won’t take a dot. Picked up a Gen 5 G21 MOS yesterday. It might or might not be a CC pistol but it’ll have a dot on it before long.

I did it one time with a 507K X2. I then put it in lock mode so that doesn't happen. It also means you can't adjust the brightness without first unlocking it. I then went to the 407K X2 for the bigger dot so I can find one setting and leave it on that. With that said, it's not the problem that TRH makes it out to be.

Perfectly stated.

Doh!

Last year I bought three new SA XD-M Elites......optics included

9mm......45.....10mm

Of the three Hex Dragonfly optics..two went back to SA for replacement for one reason or another

Why.....if the weapon is packaged with a red dot....why are high co witness sights not installed ?

I find a red dot much easier to hit with opposed to iron sights

Crossbreed holsters has a simple option to include fitment of a red dot/laser

My advise is to have irons co witness in red dot window

Yes, that. Didn't mean to put you on the spot, but I knew I couldn't describe it like you did. That made all the difference for me.

I've been using a 507C & K for better than 2 years even sleep and laying on the pistol and optic and I've never experienced the problem that you describe.


I never lock it as want to be able to adjust the brightness as needed instantly and have never experienced the problem as described

I've never found that I could push both buttons at the same time with 1 finger

Sarcasm font:
“I don’t have or carry any red dot equipped guns , but I have all the info on why it’ll never work “


Lol good times

If there's a way to make something not work or malfunction, I'll probably find it. My middle name should be Murphy.

All four of my ARs have one.

You're all idiots if you aren't carrying a Bul Armory 1911....

Congrats ,
Also irrelevant.

Why act that way?

Here's my Springfield XDM Elite Compact 9mm, with a Holosun 507 sight, in an Urban Carry IWB holster. This sight comes with choices of reticles- I use the default dot and circle, which I find to be very quick and easy to acquire. This combo is the most accurate carry gun I own. I really like this holster, after carrying for about a year, it is leather, but has a positive retention feature and completely encloses the trigger.

Tried it once on a M&P full size 40, and didn't care for it. The slide is not milled. I had to remove rear sight, and use an adapter plate. If it were milled out getting the optic lower I'd try it again. I don't really want or need another pistol though. I've seen where others have drilled the white dot out of their front sight, then recessed the top out for fiber optic rod. I did this on my shield 9mm the other day, and blacked out rear dots. Gives me a good sight picture as long as there's a little light. Those s&w front sights are really in there. Brass punch won't budge them.

Not on my carry gun yet since I haven't mastered their use for fast shooting but am bound and determined to get good with them. Have had Burris Fastfires on my Ruger Mark III and IV pistols for a while now but those are for deliberate aimed fire.

A little while ago I bought a 5" barreled M&P 2.0 Pro Series model and mounted a spare Fastfire on it to familiarize myself with its use. Today I plunked down my money for an M&P 2.0 4.25" optics ready version. At some point I'll probably get a Holosun for both of them, maybe a Vortex Venom or a Leupold DPP for the 5" model but that's a decision for later.

As noted above, beyond about 15 yards is where you really tell the difference in accuracy. With open sights at 25 yards I can keep a 4" group but it's about 5-6" high. Its not the sights but my eyes, they're old and the front sight gets blurred. With the new Pro Series mounting a reflex sight and taking deliberate aim, the shots are right on the target center and groups stay within about 3". Not world class shooting but the win goes to the optics.

Up close - 7 to 10 yards - is where they are still a problem for me. With an open sighted pistol the barrel itself is the reference, not necessarily the sights. It's like a big fat finger in my peripheral vision and I can be on target and shooting accurately before the sights even line up. The optic sight obscures the forward portion of the slide and I find myself searching for the dot so it slows me up considerably. That's even with the dot in the view window as the pistol comes up; I'm looking to make sure it's where it should be before letting off the shot, whereas with open sights the first shot would already be down range. Since it's a more precise aiming reference my instinct is to aim more precisely before firing.

Basically I learned to point shoot a long time ago as a kid and am pretty good at it, and it's a skill I don't want to lose while still melding use of the dot into the repertoire.

I understand it's just a matter of training which is why my 9mm ammo budget is going up considerably for the foreseeable future.



Fwiw, I recently bought a Hillary hole Model 67-5 .38 Spl., something I wouldn't have even considered a while ago, just because it's d&t and can easily take a red dot mount. I'm sold on them.

My Sig P365XL in a We the People kydex IWB holster. I wear a KORE Essentials belt which is rigid and keeps the pistol in place. This is my Church gun. Accurate and plenty of capacity (15 rounder in my off side pocket). It now has a Holosun 507K on top.

Ron

I wanted a red dot forever because I thought I'd love it. Finally got one and put it on a Glock 40. I just can't warm up to it. Hats off to anyone that can afford to put in enough time and money to get fast with one, because it ain't me.

I'd personally never put one on a serious carry gun. The added accuracy potential doesn't make up for the slower target acquisition in my book. Give me a laser instead.

There is no cost to learn how to acquire the DOT fast, it is all about presentation and that can be learned without firing a shot. If you can't find the FOT then you aren't aligned with your sights.