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Are there any other 99 models that had D&T for barrel mounting blocks (under the rear sight)? That seems like the tell-tale sure sign that it is a Spiegle 99

Yes.
Rory and Jaaack both mention some above plus the 99EG I have. But those rifles don't have the other Spiegel characteristics such as swivels. Therefore technically not Spiegel.
That's why I theorize that those D&T'd rifles w/o swivels were done at Savage by workers for their own rifles.

That's the difficulty. The Spiegel EG's aren't catalogued, and we are the ones finding out what they are through research. They used to often be called Salesmen Samples..

It's quite possible they aren't all Spiegel EG's. That it's just the Spiegel catalogs that we've found, but that they made up the same exact features on EG's for other retailers.

I have a barrel band H in 303 that has the holes and the correct swivels.

Im sure Rory and Rick have mine documented.

Yep. We've seen another couple of H's with the holes, but I don't think with the swivels. A couple of R's with holes, but no swivels.

So at the moment, yours is a one-off, I believe.

Great!! Now i can list it as SUPER RARE and only one made. Lol. 😉

The scope blocks that fit these holes are listed by Lyman, if someone had some Lyman catalogs the time frame for them could be established and compared with Spiegel's. I have a 1932 catalog but it's missing the application pages which were an large folded sheet attached to the rear cover, at least in some later catalogs I have, so I don't know if any of those scope block's were offered in then. In 1932 you could send your rifle to Lyman and have any of there products mounted by them, or you could order rifles from them with sights or scopes mounted and sighted. They had scopes that mounted using blocks at this time, so some guns with those holes could have came through Lyman. There were at least 4 different height blocks for the rear holes offered by Lyman and two different for the front. I've seen a lot of ones for the rear, but I can't find any for the front. With as many of those blocks that seem to be around, it's hard to think they were only intended to be used by Spiegel.

Spiegel first started listing scopes and rifles drilled & tapped for scope blocks in 1936, I just have the Fall & Winter so I do not know if any were in the Spring & Summer, but scopes were not listed in the 1935 Fall & Winter.

My 303H has the swivels and is D/T and it just lettered as being shipped to Spiegels.

Also no roll stamp.

What is the serial number?

3606xx

Thanks.
Good to know a rifle actually shipped to Spiegel had d&t, swivels but no stamp.

I am glad to hear that. I always was skeptacle about non roll engraved Spiegels. That info will go in the revision.

The H model like Joe's, with no engraving, is pictured in one of the earlier Spiegel catalogs that GeneB posted. I have four in my Model-H data (357xxx to 360xxx range) that are D&T'd. Joe's is the only one that has been lettered.

But in the Spiegel catalog I remember, the 99H didn't have studs and I thought it said it couldn't have a scope added. Like above.

So those 4 might be from a very, very small early run. 357,xxx to 360,xxx would be mid-1936 to mid-1937 (slow sales, guns shipped out of order).

Joe, when did yours letter as shipping?

Feb 23 1937

Thank you! Might be useful to find the ship dates of the ones that letter.

Makes you wonder how many might slip by unnoticed, not having a roll stamp and hard to see holes on top.