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What I saw when my brother-in-law shot a deer with the first ballistic tips convinced me and every one who saw the results that they were no good for deer, that is they had fast expansion and wasted a lot of meat. The bullets needed ‘toughening up’ - we all felt this way. No one in our hunting group used ballistic tips for a very long time after that.
Now, if my brother-in-law had shot that deer in the ribs we probably would not have ‘whined’ regarding their performance.
I’m glad they’ve improved the bullet. I’ll try them someday.
Our experience may have been unique, I don’t think so.


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Originally Posted by Bugger
What I saw when my brother-in-law shot a deer with the first ballistic tips convinced me and every one who saw the results that they were no good for deer, that is they had fast expansion and wasted a lot of meat. The bullets needed ‘toughening up’ - we all felt this way. No one in our hunting group used ballistic tips for a very long time after that.
Now, if my brother-in-law had shot that deer in the ribs we probably would not have ‘whined’ regarding their performance.
I’m glad they’ve improved the bullet. I’ll try them someday.
Our experience may have been unique, I don’t think so.

Same thing happened to me 1st animal shot with a 130 gr .277 bt, but thru the rib cage massive expansion on the surface.after that I didn't use them for 20 years. It took JB's credibilty to get me to try them again. Damn those nosler turds to put out a bullet with zero meaningful field testing just as bad as every version of sorry X bullets that copper fouled and hornady's track record on engineering/ cost cutting improvements that screwed up a good bullet. It's just no damn wonder we get set in our ways period...mb


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It would be interesting to know how many whitetails and mule deer we killed with the early 125 gr. BT out of the .308 Win and the 165 BT out of either a .308 Win or .30-06. With the 125 gr. .308 Win loads they were loaded down as my brother and I started deer hunting when we were 12. I started winding them up as I got older and eventually had them moving around 3000 fps and they were deer hammers. 165 gr. BT is all that we used on deer for the last 15 years that dad was hunting. He and I shot the same .30-06 load - 57 gr. IMR 4350 and MV of 2800ish fps. Killed my farthest deer shot with that 165 gr. out of a .308 Win that started out at 2700 fps. 583 yards and dad was just shaking his head when I said I was going to shoot that deer. I can recall recovering a lot of green tips in the entry wound, but I can't think of any that we recovered from game. If I could use a .30 cal on deer in Iowa I would still be using them to kill deer.


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I just got two boxes of 140gr BTs. I compared them to the Solid Base BTs I had. The new bullets are a little longer with a sleeker ogive.


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I killed two bull elk with the old 140g Nosler ballistic tips, red and green box. They flopped at the shot, one moved a hind leg one time, 7 Mag, 65.5g IMR 4350, Rem case with rem 9 1/2 pirmer, bullet .
003 off the lands, 100-200 yard shots

Largest white tail I have ever killed was with the old 130g NOsler ballistic tips out of a Browning A bolt 270, frontal shot, broke a shoulder and exited a hind quarter with 58g of R#22, fed 210.

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keith,

The late Chub Eastman told me years ago that the 140-grain 7mm Ballistic Tips was one they didn't have to "adjust" after BTs were introduced.

It was one of the first BTs I hunted with, if I recall correctly taking my first animals with it around 1988, from a Ruger No.1A, loaded to around 2900 fps. Never recovered one--and the animals I shot dropped very quickly, and also never recovered....


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