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I always found it strange that western states changed out of state hunters to hunt on government land. My own state hunting license should be good to hunt on government land anywhere. Just like my drivers license is good to drive on public roads anywhere………Hasbeen. It doesn't work that way. It's been hashed out countless times here on the fire. Talk about beating a dead horse. Geeze Does not really matter how many times it’s been discussed. It’s still wrong to charge different prices to people to hunt land owned by all . Hasbeen You can access the land all you want. Wildlife including big game and fish don't belong to all, they belong to the people of each state. Does your state charge more for non-resident hunters and fishermen?
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Don’t have to worry about preference points here but I live in NC and do most of my hunting in S.C.
even though I own property in S.C. and pay a fortune in Property taxes I still have to spend $500 / year for myself and another $500 / year for my son for us to be able to legally hunt and fish my own land.
Not only are non resident licenses in South Carolina a lot more expensive than resident licenses, but the bag limits are tighter too. For example, Joe Redneck who lives in a trailer in South Carolina gets 3 turkey tags. As a non resident landowner who spends more time and money than I can to admit managing my land for turkey I only get 2 tags
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even though I own property in S.C. and pay a fortune in Property taxes I still have to spend $500 / year for myself and another $500 / year for my son for us to be able to legally hunt and fish my own land. I was born and raised in CO. After I retired from active duty I settled in TX but still own property in CO that I pay taxes on every year but if I want to hunt in CO I have to pay non res fees. It is what it is.
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$102 gets you a NR hunting license over the counter or online in VT. It comes with a rifle season buck tag and one bear tag…maybe turkey tags too; I forget. A VT resident can hunt on his/her own land without a license. Nonresident landowners need a license. I just go online and print a new resident license every January…no charge. I paid my $50 years ago.
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Different thread got me pondering...
What does your state charge for non resident deer tags (whitetail). Are they OTC or are preference points/draws applicable? Do they whack you for a general hunting license and habitat fund charges as well as the tag itself?
WI is $160 for a gun deer or archery license. They've got a "First Time Buyer" non-res gun deer or archery now for $79.75 (also available to persons that haven't purchased a non res tag for the previous 10 years). Under 12 non res is $7. Non res student I believe is $24. No preference points. No general license required. No extra habitat fee.
Seems compared to other states (looking at you Iowa) and western states WI is practically giving tags away.....
Fair? Not Fair? Discuss.
*Personally I'd like to see WI start to charge non resident purchasers their own state of residence's non-res fees.
For instance - IA preference points are $60.50 (say it takes 5 points or better to have a good chance to draw). Non resident hunting license is $131. Habitat fee is $15. Actual tag is $498 for 1 either sex and and antlerless. SOOOO, IA resident wants a deer license in WI go ahead and buy it OTC - that'll be $946.50, you get one either sex and one anterlerless tag, and you're not eligible to purchase another for 5 years. i do agree with your post ,what the problem is these western states are just too greedy with us so called non-residents and alot of the land in these western states is also Federal land that we all own . in June this year 2023 the section corner lawsuit starts in Wyoming this might change these western states non-resident prices too and/ or who knows maybe the Federal land we all own might change the price of a non resident license to a resident ? how can they tell us Federal land is non-Resident ? we were born in America we are all residents.
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But you are not a resident of Wyoming and the game belongs to the state. If you don't like the price hunt elk at home. Most of the states have deer, turkey and maybe black bear. Small game is mostly lost. The western states are charged with all the crap that goes with the endangered species act. I don't dislike nonres. hunters, but living in Wy. with the long distances, cold weather and all the other problems is a hassle... I am sorry if you don't like the game don't play. Hunt elk at home simple.
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i do agree with your post ,what the problem is these western states are just too greedy with us so called non-residents and alot of the land in these western states is also Federal land that we all own It does NOT matter if the land if federally owned! Nobody is saying you cannot use the land. You want to go to the National Forest? Go. You want to go to the National Grassland? Go. You want to go to BLM land? Go. You want to go to a National Park? Go. You want to go to a National Wildlife Refuge? Go. Nobody is stopping you! But, and this is a big but that seems to be lost on many folks, the Fed Govt DOES NOT control the hunting licenses or rules in the states. Both the Govt itself and the SCOTUS have ruled that issuing hunting license is up to the states. Only an IDIOT would want the federal govt in charge of it. Do you really want someone like Pelosi or AOC having any input on your ability to hunt?
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I always found it strange that western states changed out of state hunters to hunt on government land. My own state hunting license should be good to hunt on government land anywhere. Just like my drivers license is good to drive on public roads anywhere………Hasbeen. You are a fool. The game animals belong to the individual states. SCOTUS has ruled that way. You have the right to use any federally owned lands in the nation. They are not charging non-residents anything to use the land. You want to go to a national forest? Go. You want to go to BLM land? Go. You wanting to go to National Grasslands? Go. Nobody stopping you and nobody is charging you. But the federal govt doesn't own the game, the people in the individual states do and it is the states that issues hunting licenses. Period. There is that pissant attitude again.
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Arkansas Non resident All game hunting is 350 for a year or can be bought in trips 1 day 55, 3 day 125, 5 day 180, State duck stamp 35. Some WMAs are open for everyone and some you have to draw for deer and turkey. Most you can Hunt Archery without a Draw. Bear is a quota system. Have to call in daily to see if quota is met. There are some big tracts of National Forest land and many WMAs Scattered all over the state.
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As an Arkansas resident, I can pay $35.50 to hunt. But I load my license up with extra stuff I don't need like federal duck, AR waterfowl, turkey, etc. stamps to support conservation programs in the state so I wind up paying a bit over $100 ($117 maybe?). I have a good Louisiana friend who has a great hunting camp in Mississippi. So paying the non-resident licensing isn't as much of a burden since I can otherwise hunt there cheaply & often. I paid around $475 this last year for their NR MS Super Sportsman license. It looks like it's going up to $514 this year. In Louisiana, I just get a NR Fishing license since since I haven't hunted there since I was in college. I'll pay around $750 for licenses in three states this year. Whenever I hunt in Texas I usually just get a license for a few days since this isn't a regular thing. All together it's not cheap but for the number of days I spend outdoors & the amount of enjoyment I have, I think it's worth it. If it ever becomes problematic I can always just stay local & pay the minimum.
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I always found it strange that western states changed out of state hunters to hunt on government land. My own state hunting license should be good to hunt on government land anywhere. Just like my drivers license is good to drive on public roads anywhere………Hasbeen. You are a fool. The game animals belong to the individual states. SCOTUS has ruled that way. You have the right to use any federally owned lands in the nation. They are not charging non-residents anything to use the land. You want to go to a national forest? Go. You want to go to BLM land? Go. You wanting to go to National Grasslands? Go. Nobody stopping you and nobody is charging you. But the federal govt doesn't own the game, the people in the individual states do and it is the states that issues hunting licenses. Period. There is that pissant attitude again. Read the law posted pissant. Change it if you don't like it.
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Idaho has both whitetails and mulies. In general - with lots of overlap - WT's are in the north half of the state and mulies in the south.
A NR license is $185, a deer tag is $350. Be sure to buy some wolf tags while you're at it. NR tags are only $30 and you can buy an unlimited number of them.
The issue isn't the cost, it's the availability of NR tags. We have both OTC and draw hunts. Most draw hunts have low odds of drawing and NR hunters are limited to 10% of the tags in any particular hunt.
The OTC tags are a whole different ball game. All NR OTC tags, deer and elk, are put on sale online on Dec 1 and it's a madhouse to get one. This year, they put about 30k tags on sale online all at the same time, 1st come 1st served. There were something like 64k hunters online all at the same time to get them. It was an unprecedented number of hunters and it crashed the system. They'll have to do something different this year but we won't know what until fall.
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I always found it strange that western states changed out of state hunters to hunt on government land. My own state hunting license should be good to hunt on government land anywhere. Just like my drivers license is good to drive on public roads anywhere………Hasbeen. You are a fool. The game animals belong to the individual states. SCOTUS has ruled that way. You have the right to use any federally owned lands in the nation. They are not charging non-residents anything to use the land. You want to go to a national forest? Go. You want to go to BLM land? Go. You wanting to go to National Grasslands? Go. Nobody stopping you and nobody is charging you. But the federal govt doesn't own the game, the people in the individual states do and it is the states that issues hunting licenses. Period. So you agree with every court ruling. And you call me a fool. Lol. Everyone should have the same rights. And not be charged more to hunt on land owned by all. Tags on government land should cost everyone the same money. Hasbeen
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Our constitution created the court system to settle disputes. No matter what the decision, one side will disagree. That's what happened years ago with wildlife. The SCOTUS decided that the states owned all wildlife and they have the final word. Of course many don't agree, just like with any other court decision. If you don't like it, you can take it up with the court. Good luck with that.
At the same time, the states also own all the wildlife on private land. That doesn't apply to pen raised animals which are livestock.
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I always found it strange that western states changed out of state hunters to hunt on government land. My own state hunting license should be good to hunt on government land anywhere. Just like my drivers license is good to drive on public roads anywhere………Hasbeen. You are a fool. The game animals belong to the individual states. SCOTUS has ruled that way. You have the right to use any federally owned lands in the nation. They are not charging non-residents anything to use the land. You want to go to a national forest? Go. You want to go to BLM land? Go. You wanting to go to National Grasslands? Go. Nobody stopping you and nobody is charging you. But the federal govt doesn't own the game, the people in the individual states do and it is the states that issues hunting licenses. Period. There is that pissant attitude again. Read the law posted pissant. Change it if you don't like it. He wont do that. He is just a punk that likes to talk tough and complain. He does the same thing on the TX Hunting Forum.
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Can’t believe a thread started out as a question about fees in different members states and it turns into a bitch fest about nothing to do about the OP. Amazing.
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It’s the Campfire way. Find an argument or make one!
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If I went to Oklahoma, hunted deer on the Rez. it would be free.
I have yet to partake in this.
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It’s the Campfire way. Find an argument or make one! I think, it's some people's quest to start a crap-fire.
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I always found it strange that western states changed out of state hunters to hunt on government land. My own state hunting license should be good to hunt on government land anywhere. Just like my drivers license is good to drive on public roads anywhere………Hasbeen. You are a fool. The game animals belong to the individual states. SCOTUS has ruled that way. You have the right to use any federally owned lands in the nation. They are not charging non-residents anything to use the land. You want to go to a national forest? Go. You want to go to BLM land? Go. You wanting to go to National Grasslands? Go. Nobody stopping you and nobody is charging you. But the federal govt doesn't own the game, the people in the individual states do and it is the states that issues hunting licenses. Period. So you agree with every court ruling. And you call me a fool. Lol. Everyone should have the same rights. And not be charged more to hunt on land owned by all. Tags on government land should cost everyone the same money. Hasbeen It's not just a court ruling, IT IS A LAW now passed in 2005-2006 and on the books. Change the law or quit complaining. Best yet, don't move to a Western state with your views.
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