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Great guys a little further down the Tanana River from me. I like following their adventures.

Anyhow,
Right around 11:43 of this video, the shooting begins.

Bull is called in close. Takes 2 220 grain woodlieghs from a 30-06. Good kill shots, bull still gets up and runs. 2 more 220 grain woodleighs, still not dead. Finally finishes him off with a revolver. No biggie, as it was a land-based hunt.

Using the 358 win/275 grain, or a 9.3x62/300 grain, or even a 41-9.3x62/350 grain, never needed more than one or two shots to anchor the big rut-raged bulls.

In my way of hunting, always river/creek side, it's critical to anchor them. Recovery is dangerous if they die in the swift river or in a muskeg swamp.

If a monster bull is in your forecast, Don't overlook those nice medium bores:

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Slow internet on my phone here so I only watched part of it. Did they show (or say) exactly where the bullets struck? Without knowing that it would be impossible to draw valid conclusions.

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Tough old Bull there. Thanks for posting.

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Looks like they are shooting through a great deal of brush. I would imagine that some of the bullets didn't hit where they were aimed.


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They can take a lot of killing when they don’t want to cooperate! Contrary to recent popular opinion…..fast, small bores are not always the answer.! memtb


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That bull had a great will to live.


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Mainer,

A comfortable camp and great habitat and a very nice bull as well.

A realistic portrayal of moose hunting but the Argo took a lot of the sweat out of it.
My days of packing one out of that country are long gone.

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Mainer,

This video is also of value to those on the chat rooms asking what scope to buy for an upcoming moose hunt.
I think I've taken as many moose with a peep/receiver sighted rifle as I have with a scoped rifle;
As you know, I also like the medium bores for moose and bears.

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great video to watch ,thanks for posting it,Pete53


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Moose are not hard to kill. I agree. They just can take forever to realize they are dead.

Quickest kill I"ve seen was a non exit 300 PRC ELDX. Had it hit bone it would not have done much good IMHO.

Reaction wise I see more reaction from 375 on up. They still just generally dont' move very far from first shot regardless. Even with a 308 and I"ve seen the 308 work very well.

IMHO if I was shooting where I didn't want them to move, I think I'd risk one lung shot and then shoot them in the head/base of brain to make sure.

One thing unless you hit CNS there is never a guarantee regardless of what you are shooting.

The other thing I've noticed with clients is that it sure seems that only mono bullets reliably exit. Even partitions from 338 win mag have never made it to the opposite ribs. Reaffirms my take that mono are the best choice rather than other frangible bullets.

Cool video, thanks for sharing. Nice bull too. I hate to pass up any bull that size looking for bigger. You just never know these days and with a couple bad winters its not helping the population

It always amazes me that we have to hold people back from moving in after the shot. Especially when the bull is clearly not dead. Like that one. The closer you move the more likely they will get up. Its a natural reaction from the game.
I try to have the client shoot. However many shots. Let em go down. And just watch. The antlers have to fall for sure. And then we are going to give it at least 5 or 10 minutes watching. That way I've never had a bad result and if they do try to get up again you can easily shoot again. Its not like that bit of extra time watching em is going to hurt. Like I tell people. WAIT. Especially if they got out of sight. WAIT. If they are dead, they won't come back to life in time. If they aren't every extra minute helps em get closer to dead or dead.

I've watched a lot of bow kills over the years. Amazing how long it can take an animal to die. Same with gun shots. Generally with a. gun they run from the noise and you don't see how long it takes to actually die. Because they are out of sight.


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Vern, you're more n welcome to jump in a freighter this next moose season. Plenty of young freighter canoe folks to do the cutting/packing/loading.

Our mutual friend, Mike N. got to see this bull in person, as he passed by enroute back to matanuska glacier. I built that freighter canoe. This big boy took a full magazine of .300 win mag 180 grain partition. Still stayed upright. He had to reload his rifle with another 3. Gawd I'm glad that brute didn't end up in that swift, cold water:


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Thats a bull!

Skull capped it too. LOL. What I fail to see is mention of CNS after the first shot. If its a thing.. its a thing. Sometimes we aren't close enough.

Then again did it take a full mag... the only way one knows these things is to fire 1 round and leave it be. Have done that a time or two. Not the smartest I agree. But the results have been about the same time wise. And the couple animals never moved. Just stood until they lay down. And bled out.

Sometimes. Maybe even more than that. The extra noise of the extra shots. The run up to em and pump more in em crowd. The hollers after the first hit bunch... quite often I think those are what makes them move after the first shot.

They certainly don't seem to move much if you leave em alone from what I"ve seen.

Again its all generalities. Nothing is ever 100%

Buddy of mine was going to shoot a caribou standing 8 inches deep edge of a river about season to ice up... I said whatever you do don't aim high. lung and let him get into the alders. Nope. He hits high and shocks the spine. If he would have lung shot that we would have had a chance at least.LOL. An Aquaintnace couldn't wait on a bull moose last fall. Shot it IN the lake. And then as it swam for shore... yes it was on the deep side... he kept shooting.... Had to take a swim with a rope to the bottom.

I still say lots of our issues are brought on by ourselves.. One single shot and mind your business and there seems to be less drama. Watching what I saw of the video they certainly didn't go up and pester that bull so to speak. Was pretty wobbly after that last round an it looked like the bullets worked.

But I know the other side too.. one bear last spring 14 shots fire. Another had 8 IIRC. Not all hit. All of mine hit except the one I tried at him rolling down the hill... and then I waited until he regained his footing for my next shot....


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Oh yeah. 180 partitions are NOT for 300 mags. Designed for 30-06 speeds. I Have not been impressed with partitions on moose unless you don't want lots of penetration or an exit. YMMV. They are much better than standard cup and core though.

And dang nice canoe!


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another great video to watch ! thanks for posting ! Pete53

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That's where the big canoes really shine.

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Shot placement


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Originally Posted by rost495
Oh yeah. 180 partitions are NOT for 300 mags. Designed for 30-06 speeds. I Have not been impressed with partitions on moose unless you don't want lots of penetration or an exit. YMMV. They are much better than standard cup and core though.

And dang nice canoe!

Not doubting your experience but it does ring of irony. IIRC, it was a 300 Mag bullet failure that led John Nosler to develop the Partition. He must have had that very combination in mind.

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Looks like he knows what he's doing.


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Originally Posted by rost495
Oh yeah. 180 partitions are NOT for 300 mags. Designed for 30-06 speeds. I Have not been impressed with partitions on moose unless you don't want lots of penetration or an exit. YMMV. They are much better than standard cup and core though.

And dang nice canoe!

Interesting. My all around rifle is a 300wm and 180 accubonds. Not my first choice for any particular hunt but she’ll be standing by in the safe ready to go! Kicks like a mule too with a McM Edge stock.

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My first elk a nice 6x6 fell on the spot about 140 yds from a full throttle Rl -22 load with 180 NPT out of my m70 pf 300 win mag. Hit him in the neck at a slight quarter too angle taking out 3 vertebrate and ending up in the hindquarter on the opposite side
Damn near full length penetration. Found the bullet in the last roast. Shot the.next 1 also with the 180 npt plus lots of deer with full throttle 300 win mag loads in 2 different rifles.yeah it works in 30-06 too. Allways thought it to be damn near perfect game bullet for my use in 30's. I do have a pile of npt 200's I am going to try though..mb


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