24hourcampfire.com
24hourcampfire.com
-->
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 5 of 11 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 10 11
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 317
P
Campfire Member
Offline
Campfire Member
P
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 317
Originally Posted by Dinny
+1 for the 357 Magnum or 357 Maximum especially in rifles. I killed my first bear with a 357 Maximum using a 270gr Accurate Mold LFP bullet at 1800fps. My son and I have both killed deer with 200gr MP Mold Penta HP bullets at 1160fps fired from the same 357 Maximum. He will hunt bears this June with his 357 Max using Barnes TSX FB bullets at 1900+ fps.

357 is fantastic at shorter ranges. The 180 XTP at just 12-1400 is deadly.

For longer ranges, the Grendel or ARC use 30% less powder than a Creedmoor or 243, but still have plenty to kill deer and bear. Creed and 243’s are still a little overkill unless you’re really stretching the range.

GB1

Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 30,262
Campfire 'Bwana
Offline
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 30,262
Typical answers on these sorts of threads:

"Recoil is between your ears." Uh, no it's not.

"Get a brake." Sure, add more noise to recoil.

The question has already been answered intelligently several dozen times, so no need to add to those. Just wanted to point out some things here never change...


“Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 28,234
J
Campfire Ranger
Online Content
Campfire Ranger
J
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 28,234
I can't get enough of my 20", suppressed 7-08 launching 140 AB's @ 2710fps.


It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 4,655
B
Campfire Tracker
Offline
Campfire Tracker
B
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 4,655
Does anyone actually notice recoil when shooting at game? I would vote 7x57 using OP criteria or 6.5x55.


The way life should be.
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 7,721
K
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
K
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 7,721
I’m amazed by them. My 7 year old daughter can shoot and shoot a mid weight(howa) 6 creedmoor suppressed. We spend much more time with a 223 but she has no problem with the 6mm. Obviously it’s not a recoil monster but to a little kid it would have a little pop without the suppressor. I plan to teach my kids what recoil is rather than going back and correcting mistakes by introducing it too early. Like happened with me and every single honest friend I have. Most of it was our fault wanting to shoot the bigger guns to show we were big boys but all of us ended up with a flinch that needed sorting out.



IC B2

Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 7,721
K
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
K
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 7,721
Originally Posted by bluefish
Does anyone actually notice recoil when shooting at game? I would vote 7x57 using OP criteria or 6.5x55.

Doubtful shooting game but some of us shoot for practice and recreation a little on the side.



Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 30,262
Campfire 'Bwana
Offline
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 30,262
Originally Posted by bluefish
Does anyone actually notice recoil when shooting at game?

Not the point, ever. Flinching starts at the bench, and is unconsciously carried over into the field.


“Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 44,813
M
Campfire 'Bwana
Online Content
Campfire 'Bwana
M
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 44,813
Originally Posted by bluefish
Does anyone actually notice recoil when shooting at game? I would vote 7x57 using OP criteria or 6.5x55.

What affects shooting at game is the preparation which includes sighting in and practice. Whatever effect recoil will have is ingrained then. The subconscious won't just disappear because hair is in the sights.

Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 28,234
J
Campfire Ranger
Online Content
Campfire Ranger
J
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 28,234
Originally Posted by Brad
Originally Posted by bluefish
Does anyone actually notice recoil when shooting at game?

Not the point, ever. Flinching starts at the bench, and is unconsciously carried over into the field.

Right on Brad.


It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 317
P
Campfire Member
Offline
Campfire Member
P
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 317
The OP asked for the lowest recoiling rifle to reliably harvest deer and bear. Not whether a Creedmoor has a lot of recoil. Not whether you notice recoil when shooting at game.

The easy answers to the question is 223 if you’re comfortable (I would be), and if not, a 357 Mag rifle for short range or 300 Blk/ARC/Grendel for longer. Or you can download to those same levels with a whole host of other calibers.

IC B3

Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 7,721
K
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
K
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 7,721
Originally Posted by pka45
The OP asked for the lowest recoiling rifle to reliably harvest deer and bear. Not whether a Creedmoor has a lot of recoil. Not whether you notice recoil when shooting at game.

The easy answers to the question is 223 if you’re comfortable (I would be), and if not, a 357 Mag rifle for short range or 300 Blk/ARC/Grendel for longer. Or you can download to those same levels with a whole host of other calibers.

Lol so you put down mentioning creedmoor recoil but mention 357 mag 300 BLK etc etc??? Makes perfect sense.



Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 17,237
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 17,237
Originally Posted by JGRaider
Originally Posted by Brad
Originally Posted by bluefish
Does anyone actually notice recoil when shooting at game?

Not the point, ever. Flinching starts at the bench, and is unconsciously carried over into the field.

Right on Brad.

Yes. Extremely good point there. Comfort from solid practice helps carry over to solid shots in the field. Combine some buck fever with a well-developed flinch, as well as an improvised field rest and you're are asking for some sub-par results.


Now with even more aplomb
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 317
P
Campfire Member
Offline
Campfire Member
P
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 317
Not sure what you mean? Those calibers recoil less than the Creed, but still have the guts to kill medium game, as the OP was asking…

Originally Posted by Kaleb
Originally Posted by pka45
The OP asked for the lowest recoiling rifle to reliably harvest deer and bear. Not whether a Creedmoor has a lot of recoil. Not whether you notice recoil when shooting at game.

The easy answers to the question is 223 if you’re comfortable (I would be), and if not, a 357 Mag rifle for short range or 300 Blk/ARC/Grendel for longer. Or you can download to those same levels with a whole host of other calibers.

Lol so you put down mentioning creedmoor recoil but mention 357 mag 300 BLK etc etc??? Makes perfect sense.

Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 28,234
J
Campfire Ranger
Online Content
Campfire Ranger
J
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 28,234
Originally Posted by JGRaider
I can't get enough of my 20", suppressed 7-08 launching 140 AB's @ 2710fps.

Or a 120 BT @ 2925..........


It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 7,721
K
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
K
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 7,721
I haven’t put suppressor on my 708 yet but I shoot the 120’s right at 3,000 from a 22” barrel. I’ll have it cut off some when I get it threaded. Those 120’s sure don’t leave a fella looking for anything more from what I’ve seen. I admit I have used 22’s and 6mm’s much more though.



Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 28,172
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 28,172
Originally Posted by mathman
Originally Posted by bluefish
Does anyone actually notice recoil when shooting at game? I would vote 7x57 using OP criteria or 6.5x55.
The subconscious won't just disappear because hair is in the sights.

Wrong!


Hunt with Class and Classics

Religion: A founder of The Church of Spray and Pray

Acquit v. t. To render a judgment in a murder case in San Francisco... EQUAL, adj. As bad as something else. Ambrose Bierce “The Devil's Dictionary”







Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 17,237
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 17,237
What is "wrong"? The notion that bench flinching doesn't tend to disappear in the field?


Now with even more aplomb
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 4,074
Campfire Tracker
Offline
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 4,074
Originally Posted by Jim585
What is the lowest recoiling rifle to reliably harvest deer and bear? (Yes, I hate recoil)
I don't bear hunt, so I can't answer that question. For the deer, I would say look at the 250 Savage and 6mm ARC. Too bad we don't live in 1936 because lots of mild cartridges worked for all sorts of game.



[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

Joined: Dec 2019
Posts: 4,680
C
Campfire Tracker
Offline
Campfire Tracker
C
Joined: Dec 2019
Posts: 4,680
Originally Posted by JPro
What is "wrong"? The notion that bench flinching doesn't tend to disappear in the field?

Adrenaline might compensate for you "noticing" recoil, but as JPro and others are noting, that doesn't mean you aren't still flinching. From what I've observed, folks who flinch on the bench actually flinch *worse* in a hunting situation if they don't have a routine they've practiced a TON. (How many new hunters tell themselves "I'm going to watch for a long time, then slowly move the rifle up, then slowly..." but in reality, they see a deer, grab the rifle, yank the trigger, flinch, and who knows how it ends up?

Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 44,813
M
Campfire 'Bwana
Online Content
Campfire 'Bwana
M
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 44,813
Quote
Adrenaline might compensate for you "noticing" recoil, but as JPro and others are noting, that doesn't mean you aren't still flinching.

There it is.

Page 5 of 11 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 10 11

Moderated by  RickBin 

Link Copied to Clipboard
AX24

568 members (1minute, 10gaugemag, 1moredeer, 1234, 10ring1, 160user, 65 invisible), 2,128 guests, and 1,175 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Statistics
Forums81
Topics1,191,105
Posts18,464,217
Members73,925
Most Online11,491
Jul 7th, 2023


 


Fish & Game Departments | Solunar Tables | Mission Statement | Privacy Policy | Contact Us | DMCA
Hunting | Fishing | Camping | Backpacking | Reloading | Campfire Forums | Gear Shop
Copyright © 2000-2024 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved.



Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5
(Release build 20201027)
Responsive Width:

PHP: 7.3.33 Page Time: 0.087s Queries: 14 (0.004s) Memory: 0.9117 MB (Peak: 1.0491 MB) Data Comp: Zlib Server Time: 2024-04-23 18:21:02 UTC
Valid HTML 5 and Valid CSS