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I'm not a fan of PCC in general, but my wife loves the Ruger, and it's now her "SHTF" gun. I have to say it is easy to put rounds on target fast. And it's super quiet with e can.

I really like mine, they are surprisingly accurate. I keep mine in a go bag with a G19 Gen 5. I love having two guns with interchangeable mags.

I like the PC9.

The fact the PC9, Glock 19, and the Dagger can all use the same magazines/ammo isn't hard to like.

Yeah, I really found it easy to shoot well fast, and it shares mags with my home defense pistol.

Plus, as much as I "like" an AR, it's not like a self defense scenario will involve over 100 yards shots where I live.

Where the 9mm carbine falls short (in my opinion) is the inability to penetrate IIIA body armor. Maybe a few of the faster loads will do it, but not the common ball ammo.

It's one of those longshot circumstances, but if home invaders are wearing body armor, and more are these days, the 5.56 kind of wins in that situation.

Yeah, well my wife will have to worry about that with her little PCC. I still have the Colt 6920 with a can as my home defense long gun option. 😁

Realistically, I'm not liking my odds regardless of I'm facing a home invasion where they're wearing armor.

Shoot them in the legs or better yet, the head.

As in my other PC9 posts

I really like the hell outta mine

Running Ruger mags & no issues at all with my handloads

Some after market stuff from TK & MCarbo

I ran across one of these today and wound up bringing it home. Switched it to Glock mags. Ordered a Vortex dot sight and three Magpul 27 round mags. I have a lot of standard mags.
Question for y’all that already have a 9mm carbine. What bullet weight works best for you?

You'll see the most speed gains from the lighter bullets if looking for speed. The 147s will be best if running a supressor. I'm currently playing with 124 gr using HS-6 and CFE Pistol. Accuracy @ 50 yards is around 1-2 inches.

thanks for the info. I am only using factory loads now. I have not loaded 9mm in probably 40 years. I took the carbine out to my son's place this morning. With the factory sights it seems to hit closest to point of aim at 50 yards with the 115 FMJ. When the dot sight I ordered comes in, I will work some more with it.

Under stress it will be center mass, armpit level.

I've been playing with one for a while, and love it. I usually prefer the 124's in my pistols, and pretty much load all my own stuff. I did some testing with 115, 124, 125, & 147. Here is the surprise to me about my personal experience:

Although I prefer heavier bullets normally, After chrono all loads, and checking accuracy, the 115's (according to ballistics)will actually have more energy in ft/lbs at distance (seemed like 50 yds +) than any of the others. And also less drop.

I still like the 124-125 for accuracy and most all my loads are with SW Auto Pistol. I did find a 147 load that was amazingly accurate, but pretty slow.

The Factory loading that had the highest velocity and most consistent accuracy were the Browning Bulk Packs of 124 gr (~1375 fps). They were outrunning most of the 115's. The S & B 124's (~1300)were just a tad behind them.

Chris

Auto Pistol and Magnus J136 (125) @ 50yd. 5 Shots.


Factory loads





Chris in AL

147 grain, I have read, can be dangerous out of a PCC unless you push them pretty hard. I suppose the lower velocity and longer barrel could cause a stoppage, then followed by another might not be fun. I wouldn't let this keep me from running them, but I think you will find that you will like the lighter ones if you shoot past 50 yd.

Yep.

The Ruger PCC 9mm Carbine looks like a fun little gun, and might be great for a fun little plinking carbine, or OK for small game and dispatching pests around the house.
And OK for a petite woman for home defense that can’t handle a shotgun or AR-15. Better that a sharp stick. 😜

It appears from numerous reliable Canpfire Members that they are accurate, reliable, and fun to shoot.
If I just had to use one for defense, and that was my ONLY option, I’d load it up with Buffalo Boar’s Hard Cast Outdoorsman Load or Mackay Sagebrush’s equivalent 9mm Penatrator Load.

But for serious defense, I’ll stick with an AR pistol or M-4 Carbine in .556 or 300 BO. And a 12 ga 870 Factory Riot Gun.
I live out in the Boonies, so a call for help to local LEO or Sherriffs Dept might get me some “help” in an hour or two. 😬

seeing as how a 9mm pistol stopped and killed a brown bear charge I'd think that 147s will penetrate.

Thats what I carry in our 9mms in AK if I"m down to the 9mm for whatever reason. And I do get to that reason now and then.

My new Springfield HellCat is loaded with 16 rounds of Buffalo Bore’s 147 gr Hard Cast Outdoorsman Load.

I work in agriculture. Travel in the southeast US. During the growing season, I am in rural areas with no one around, and often find something to shoot at. It makes a nice truck gun for me, and as mine is a takedown, I can throw it in a bag, and right into the motel at night. It has been very handy to dispatch some bad snakes, shoot at a coyote, etc. Thankfully I don't have any bears to contend with or my 16" Rossi 92 in .45 colt would be in the truck.

I have had a few issues with the very hi capacity magazines unless they were "Glock" brand. My AC Unity and Magpul 17's are good to go though.

Chris

I'll continue beating my head against a wall until Ruger chambers it in a useful cartridge, 10mm.

Hell, I’d buy another KelTec Sub 2000 if they’d chamber it in 10mm. The early 9mm version I had worked flawlessly and was accurate too. I gave it to my nephew.

I like these 124 Nukes from RMR

Have you shopped at Everglades Reloading in FL ?

https://www.rmrbullets.com/shop/bullets/pistol/9mm-355/9mm-124-gr-rmr-jhp-mpr-nuke/

tikkanut
yes I have done business with those folks. I am not currently loading 9mm though, used to in the distant past. I have 'adequate' stocks of factory stuff around the casa for now.

RMR is the best

about finished pimping out the PC carbine. Added a Sig dot sight, 27 round Magpul magazines and a Surefire light on an offset mount. Now to get back to the range!

If you're dogging the 9mm shortcomings based on whether the bad guys have armor, at least be honest with yourself because IIIA has been obsolete for at least two decades and most people have already switched over to better things. Your AR won't get through level IV either. Neither will 308 or shotguns.

I'm not dogging 9mm. I'm a big fan actually. Just sharing a fact for anyone who might be trying to make an informed decision.

I've got several 9mm pistols and a Ruger PC9 carbine. 9mm is my daily carry. Like everything, it has capabilities, and limitations.

I wanted and looked for the folding stock version long and hard but never could find one so I just built the ar9
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These things are fun, I bought mine on a whim, my son loves shooting it. I've since put a hardpoint rail on the factory forearm and a cheap bushnell trs, but I think I like the iron sights better. Just wish you could score good 9mm for under 10 bucks a box again. You'll go through it quick.

I've thought about the new magpul pcc drums, but just dont see the reason when you can get 33rd glock mags.

Finally got to feel one and was pretty disappointed, being a tried and true Ruger user.
Man that thing felt like a pig. I was expecting something more svelte.
A compact stock might help, seeings its a good platform for smaller shooters.
Maybe going AR9 or .357 lever for GF's house gun.

I'm bringing this thread back up because I wondered about this. What do you think happened when I fired one of Mackay_Sagebrush's Predator Penatrators at body armor?



I had run this test previously with the same target array but without the body armor, using Buffalo Bore hard cast (same bullet per MS, at about the same velocity per my chrono), and the round stopped after denting the second piece of 22 gauge steel.

This doesn't change my view that this is a nifty little home defense and general dinking-around gun.

I will have to try this with an Xtreme Penetrator. It looks like I can get one more shot out of the armor side panel on the undamaged half.

Yeah it takes velocity to defeat body armor, and 1285 fps isn't even close. For IIIA, I believe you need over 1800 fps. The Underwood 68gr+P Xtreme Defender might be the best chance from a 9mm carbine.

Here's an example of the Underwood Xtreme Defender defeating IIIA panel from a handgun at about 1720 fps or so. It did not penetrate the IIIA Hybrid panel from a Evo at 1880fps or so.

Curious if 16" barrel would make enough difference to get through the IIIA Hybrid panel.

https://www.ar500armor.com/blog/rimelig-vs-hybrid-soft-armor-panels/

I wouldn't think so.

Copper is soft.

You would need something really hard and pointy.

If you want a cartridge that will penetrate the heavier ballistic vests either a .223/5.56 or a 5.7x28 will do that and of course so will various larger calibers.

A 14.5 inch AR-15 w/ pinned muzzle device would be my choice for a self defense rifle that will penetrate ballistic vests since they are not expensive and there are lots of choices. Or an SBR if you want to go through that process and spend the extra money. I shoot a lot of matches with a PCC (a JP GMR-15) and like them a lot, but a PCC wouldn't be my first choice for a home defense gun.

I had one of the older Ruger PC-9's and it was reliable, but I prefer the AR-9's.

As a long time Ruger fan, I was expecting a pig. When is the last time svelte was used to describe a Ruger of any kind? They look like they would be fun at the range for sure, like a grown up 10/22.

I’m thinking one of these might make for some cheap range fun for myself, along with the wife and kid.

I’d probably go for the adjustable stock version, so we could all 3 fit comfortably.