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Whatever, by now Ukraine should have driven them out with all the money, supplies and advice they are getting from the west.

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over $130 Billion of hard working US tax payer money stolen by Ukraine while our banking system collapses

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It's pretty much impossible to get any accurate reports from either Russia or Ukraine. The warthog YouTube page is just propaganda. Russia had 600 T-90 tanks in inventory when the Ukraine conflict began. From what I've read they only sent 50 to Ukraine. Russia also has a large inventory of upgraded T-62 and T-72 tanks.

Russia has been producing enough tanks that they've been offering them for sale for many years. In fact, Russia is second only to the U.S.A. in arms exports.

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The US wastes trillions of dollars on failed air craft and weapons systems yet we still cant even win a war against a Stone Age third world country like Afghanistan




The F-35

One of the biggest boondoggles in the US DoD budget—and the focus of this article—is the F-35, the most expensive weapons system in history. And of course, the costs continue to go up, according to a recent DoD report. The Pentagon first put out the project for bids in 1996, and the first F-35s were manufactured and flown in 2006. However, it wasn’t until 2018 that they saw combat for the first time when Israel deployed them. Since then, the USMC, USAF, and RAF have used them in combat only rarely. For a plane that is supposed to be sufficiently versatile and modular to replace virtually all other combat aircraft, the F-35 has been used very little.

The F-35 program will cost about $1.5 trillion, or approximately what the US government spent on the entire Iraq war.
Perhaps you’re wondering if this is a typical timeframe for a high-tech military project. Well, in 2001, the DoD expected to have its first combat-capable F-35s in 2010. That did not happen—not by a long shot. At least as late as 2013, these fifth-generation fighter jets could not fly in bad weather or at night. Despite all this, the F-35 program will cost about $1.5 trillion, or approximately what the US government spent on the entire Iraq war.

Last year, Defense News identified 13 significant deficiencies in one or more F-35 models, including the possibility of a blown tire destroying the entire aircraft, inadequate vision and sensor systems, and not being to fly too high, too fast, or in certain maneuvers without either apparent or actual major problems. Other issues included logistical and security concerns. Many of these have solutions in progress, although several additional issues with the weapons systems have been identified since then.

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If you’re infantry without anti-armor weapons, it doesn’t really matter if you are facing a T-34 or an M-1, you’re phuqed. If you have Javelins, it doesn’t really matter which you are facing, you can kill it.

I guess the question is, why would Russia waste its best tanks on infantry support? Particularly when a lot of these are going to be crewed by militias and separatists anyway? And I would suspect that a lot of them are going to be used as glorified APCs anyway.

Plus it’s pretty stupid. When NATO sends fifty year old Leopards and T-55s instead of its best stuff, it’s a way of getting something into the fight and “Slava Ukraine”. When Russia pulls some crap out of a depo and sends it instead of its best stuff, it’s “Look how desperate those slaps are.”

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Originally Posted by ribka
The US wastes trillions of dollars on failed air craft and weapons systems yet we still cant even win a war against a Stone Age third world country like Afghanistan




The F-35

One of the biggest boondoggles in the US DoD budget—and the focus of this article—is the F-35, the most expensive weapons system in history. And of course, the costs continue to go up, according to a recent DoD report. The Pentagon first put out the project for bids in 1996, and the first F-35s were manufactured and flown in 2006. However, it wasn’t until 2018 that they saw combat for the first time when Israel deployed them. Since then, the USMC, USAF, and RAF have used them in combat only rarely. For a plane that is supposed to be sufficiently versatile and modular to replace virtually all other combat aircraft, the F-35 has been used very little.

The F-35 program will cost about $1.5 trillion, or approximately what the US government spent on the entire Iraq war.
Perhaps you’re wondering if this is a typical timeframe for a high-tech military project. Well, in 2001, the DoD expected to have its first combat-capable F-35s in 2010. That did not happen—not by a long shot. At least as late as 2013, these fifth-generation fighter jets could not fly in bad weather or at night. Despite all this, the F-35 program will cost about $1.5 trillion, or approximately what the US government spent on the entire Iraq war.

Last year, Defense News identified 13 significant deficiencies in one or more F-35 models, including the possibility of a blown tire destroying the entire aircraft, inadequate vision and sensor systems, and not being to fly too high, too fast, or in certain maneuvers without either apparent or actual major problems. Other issues included logistical and security concerns. Many of these have solutions in progress, although several additional issues with the weapons systems have been identified since then.

Beware you are about to incur the wrath of the USAF gas station attendant. The F-35 does have some pretty state of the art gizmos, then again you can put them on a 747 and get the same results. As a fighter, it's a DOG, particularly in multi-bandit environments AFTER the merge, not to mention the idiocy of a single engine platform for Naval Aviation.


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Originally Posted by jorgeI
Originally Posted by ribka
The US wastes trillions of dollars on failed air craft and weapons systems yet we still cant even win a war against a Stone Age third world country like Afghanistan




The F-35

One of the biggest boondoggles in the US DoD budget—and the focus of this article—is the F-35, the most expensive weapons system in history. And of course, the costs continue to go up, according to a recent DoD report. The Pentagon first put out the project for bids in 1996, and the first F-35s were manufactured and flown in 2006. However, it wasn’t until 2018 that they saw combat for the first time when Israel deployed them. Since then, the USMC, USAF, and RAF have used them in combat only rarely. For a plane that is supposed to be sufficiently versatile and modular to replace virtually all other combat aircraft, the F-35 has been used very little.

The F-35 program will cost about $1.5 trillion, or approximately what the US government spent on the entire Iraq war.
Perhaps you’re wondering if this is a typical timeframe for a high-tech military project. Well, in 2001, the DoD expected to have its first combat-capable F-35s in 2010. That did not happen—not by a long shot. At least as late as 2013, these fifth-generation fighter jets could not fly in bad weather or at night. Despite all this, the F-35 program will cost about $1.5 trillion, or approximately what the US government spent on the entire Iraq war.

Last year, Defense News identified 13 significant deficiencies in one or more F-35 models, including the possibility of a blown tire destroying the entire aircraft, inadequate vision and sensor systems, and not being to fly too high, too fast, or in certain maneuvers without either apparent or actual major problems. Other issues included logistical and security concerns. Many of these have solutions in progress, although several additional issues with the weapons systems have been identified since then.

Beware you are about to incur the wrath of the USAF gas station attendant. The F-35 does have some pretty state of the art gizmos, then again you can put them on a 747 and get the same results. As a fighter, it's a DOG, particularly in multi-bandit environments AFTER the merge, not to mention the idiocy of a single engine platform for Naval Aviation.
Some of the most entertaining stuff on here is when he tries to explain to you how military aviation works. The man is an expert's expert.

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Originally Posted by Bristoe
It's pretty much impossible to get any accurate reports from either Russia or Ukraine. The warthog YouTube page is just propaganda. Russia had 600 T-90 tanks in inventory when the Ukraine conflict began. From what I've read they only sent 50 to Ukraine. Russia also has a large inventory of upgraded T-62 and T-72 tanks.

Russia has been producing enough tanks that they've been offering them for sale for many years. In fact, Russia is second only to the U.S.A. in arms exports.

Per Ornx, Uke's have destroyed at least 58 T-90's for far. As for 600 T-90's in inventory, the numbers at the start of the war was closer to 360 operational.

Russia has a lot of tanks in inventory that are nothing more than rusted hulks.


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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Bristoe
It's pretty much impossible to get any accurate reports from either Russia or Ukraine. The warthog YouTube page is just propaganda. Russia had 600 T-90 tanks in inventory when the Ukraine conflict began. From what I've read they only sent 50 to Ukraine. Russia also has a large inventory of upgraded T-62 and T-72 tanks.

Russia has been producing enough tanks that they've been offering them for sale for many years. In fact, Russia is second only to the U.S.A. in arms exports.

Per Ornx, Uke's have destroyed at least 58 T-90's for far. As for 600 T-90's in inventory, the numbers at the start of the war was closer to 360 operational.

Russia has a lot of tanks in inventory that are nothing more than rusted hulks.


How many have they lost? What's maintenance like?

Those old tanks will just be coffins for the poor souls (4) they put in them.

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Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by jorgeI
Originally Posted by ribka
The US wastes trillions of dollars on failed air craft and weapons systems yet we still cant even win a war against a Stone Age third world country like Afghanistan




The F-35

One of the biggest boondoggles in the US DoD budget—and the focus of this article—is the F-35, the most expensive weapons system in history. And of course, the costs continue to go up, according to a recent DoD report. The Pentagon first put out the project for bids in 1996, and the first F-35s were manufactured and flown in 2006. However, it wasn’t until 2018 that they saw combat for the first time when Israel deployed them. Since then, the USMC, USAF, and RAF have used them in combat only rarely. For a plane that is supposed to be sufficiently versatile and modular to replace virtually all other combat aircraft, the F-35 has been used very little.

The F-35 program will cost about $1.5 trillion, or approximately what the US government spent on the entire Iraq war.
Perhaps you’re wondering if this is a typical timeframe for a high-tech military project. Well, in 2001, the DoD expected to have its first combat-capable F-35s in 2010. That did not happen—not by a long shot. At least as late as 2013, these fifth-generation fighter jets could not fly in bad weather or at night. Despite all this, the F-35 program will cost about $1.5 trillion, or approximately what the US government spent on the entire Iraq war.

Last year, Defense News identified 13 significant deficiencies in one or more F-35 models, including the possibility of a blown tire destroying the entire aircraft, inadequate vision and sensor systems, and not being to fly too high, too fast, or in certain maneuvers without either apparent or actual major problems. Other issues included logistical and security concerns. Many of these have solutions in progress, although several additional issues with the weapons systems have been identified since then.

Beware you are about to incur the wrath of the USAF gas station attendant. The F-35 does have some pretty state of the art gizmos, then again you can put them on a 747 and get the same results. As a fighter, it's a DOG, particularly in multi-bandit environments AFTER the merge, not to mention the idiocy of a single engine platform for Naval Aviation.
Some of the most entertaining stuff on here is when he tries to explain to you how military aviation works. The man is an expert's expert.


Would you rather be in a Mig?

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Originally Posted by Jcubed
Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by jorgeI
Originally Posted by ribka
The US wastes trillions of dollars on failed air craft and weapons systems yet we still cant even win a war against a Stone Age third world country like Afghanistan




The F-35

One of the biggest boondoggles in the US DoD budget—and the focus of this article—is the F-35, the most expensive weapons system in history. And of course, the costs continue to go up, according to a recent DoD report. The Pentagon first put out the project for bids in 1996, and the first F-35s were manufactured and flown in 2006. However, it wasn’t until 2018 that they saw combat for the first time when Israel deployed them. Since then, the USMC, USAF, and RAF have used them in combat only rarely. For a plane that is supposed to be sufficiently versatile and modular to replace virtually all other combat aircraft, the F-35 has been used very little.

The F-35 program will cost about $1.5 trillion, or approximately what the US government spent on the entire Iraq war.
Perhaps you’re wondering if this is a typical timeframe for a high-tech military project. Well, in 2001, the DoD expected to have its first combat-capable F-35s in 2010. That did not happen—not by a long shot. At least as late as 2013, these fifth-generation fighter jets could not fly in bad weather or at night. Despite all this, the F-35 program will cost about $1.5 trillion, or approximately what the US government spent on the entire Iraq war.

Last year, Defense News identified 13 significant deficiencies in one or more F-35 models, including the possibility of a blown tire destroying the entire aircraft, inadequate vision and sensor systems, and not being to fly too high, too fast, or in certain maneuvers without either apparent or actual major problems. Other issues included logistical and security concerns. Many of these have solutions in progress, although several additional issues with the weapons systems have been identified since then.

Beware you are about to incur the wrath of the USAF gas station attendant. The F-35 does have some pretty state of the art gizmos, then again you can put them on a 747 and get the same results. As a fighter, it's a DOG, particularly in multi-bandit environments AFTER the merge, not to mention the idiocy of a single engine platform for Naval Aviation.
Some of the most entertaining stuff on here is when he tries to explain to you how military aviation works. The man is an expert's expert.


Would you rather be in a Mig?

How is that relevant? bu since you asked, an F-22...


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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Bristoe
It's pretty much impossible to get any accurate reports from either Russia or Ukraine. The warthog YouTube page is just propaganda. Russia had 600 T-90 tanks in inventory when the Ukraine conflict began. From what I've read they only sent 50 to Ukraine. Russia also has a large inventory of upgraded T-62 and T-72 tanks.

Russia has been producing enough tanks that they've been offering them for sale for many years. In fact, Russia is second only to the U.S.A. in arms exports.

Per Ornx, Uke's have destroyed at least 58 T-90's for far. As for 600 T-90's in inventory, the numbers at the start of the war was closer to 360 operational.

Russia has a lot of tanks in inventory that are nothing more than rusted hulks.

fascinating, you appear to have a lot of combat experience

Tell us about combat tactics of Russian marines and how they assault fortifeid Uko NAZi positions

Tell us how Ukrainian jets have played a big part in this war

clown world.


lol

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Originally Posted by jorgeI
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Originally Posted by dassa
Originally Posted by jorgeI
Originally Posted by ribka
The US wastes trillions of dollars on failed air craft and weapons systems yet we still cant even win a war against a Stone Age third world country like Afghanistan




The F-35

One of the biggest boondoggles in the US DoD budget—and the focus of this article—is the F-35, the most expensive weapons system in history. And of course, the costs continue to go up, according to a recent DoD report. The Pentagon first put out the project for bids in 1996, and the first F-35s were manufactured and flown in 2006. However, it wasn’t until 2018 that they saw combat for the first time when Israel deployed them. Since then, the USMC, USAF, and RAF have used them in combat only rarely. For a plane that is supposed to be sufficiently versatile and modular to replace virtually all other combat aircraft, the F-35 has been used very little.

The F-35 program will cost about $1.5 trillion, or approximately what the US government spent on the entire Iraq war.
Perhaps you’re wondering if this is a typical timeframe for a high-tech military project. Well, in 2001, the DoD expected to have its first combat-capable F-35s in 2010. That did not happen—not by a long shot. At least as late as 2013, these fifth-generation fighter jets could not fly in bad weather or at night. Despite all this, the F-35 program will cost about $1.5 trillion, or approximately what the US government spent on the entire Iraq war.

Last year, Defense News identified 13 significant deficiencies in one or more F-35 models, including the possibility of a blown tire destroying the entire aircraft, inadequate vision and sensor systems, and not being to fly too high, too fast, or in certain maneuvers without either apparent or actual major problems. Other issues included logistical and security concerns. Many of these have solutions in progress, although several additional issues with the weapons systems have been identified since then.

Beware you are about to incur the wrath of the USAF gas station attendant. The F-35 does have some pretty state of the art gizmos, then again you can put them on a 747 and get the same results. As a fighter, it's a DOG, particularly in multi-bandit environments AFTER the merge, not to mention the idiocy of a single engine platform for Naval Aviation.
Some of the most entertaining stuff on here is when he tries to explain to you how military aviation works. The man is an expert's expert.


Would you rather be in a Mig?

How is that relevant? bu since you asked, an F-22...


They don't land on ships...

But I get your point.

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Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Bristoe
It's pretty much impossible to get any accurate reports from either Russia or Ukraine. The warthog YouTube page is just propaganda. Russia had 600 T-90 tanks in inventory when the Ukraine conflict began. From what I've read they only sent 50 to Ukraine. Russia also has a large inventory of upgraded T-62 and T-72 tanks.

Russia has been producing enough tanks that they've been offering them for sale for many years. In fact, Russia is second only to the U.S.A. in arms exports.

Per Ornx, Uke's have destroyed at least 58 T-90's for far. As for 600 T-90's in inventory, the numbers at the start of the war was closer to 360 operational.

Russia has a lot of tanks in inventory that are nothing more than rusted hulks.

fascinating, you appear to have a lot of combat experience

Tell us about combat tactics of Russian marines and how they assault fortifeid Uko NAZi positions

Tell us how Ukrainian jets have played a big part in this war

clown world.


lol

Interesting. You seem to have no idea what I did in the Military.

You're not a very good bot, not ability to search previous user posts is a serious programing deficiency.


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So it was a great Idea and applauded when Ukraine was given upgraded T 55's a few months ago lol. But now its a horrible idea.

Upgrade them with modern fire control systems, reactive armor and place with infantry platoons when clearing out trenches, fortified positions. The tanks act as cover for moving infantry units , and 100 mm is great for clearing out embedded troops. Of course Americans think that billion dollar F 35's and big air craft carriers will win this war lol

Plus Russia has millions of 100 mm rounds already produced. Big plus. While the west is scrambling to manufacture rounds for uko nazis which are dwindling very fast

Actually makes sense .. carry on military combat experts

and saliva Ukraine



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Originally Posted by ribka
So it was a great Idea and applauded when Ukraine was given upgraded T 55's a few months ago lol. But now its a horrible idea.

Upgrade them with modern fire control systems, reactive armor and place with infantry platoons when clearing out trenches, fortified positions. The tanks act as cover for moving infantry units , and 100 mm is great for clearing out embedded troops. Of course Americans think that billion dollar F 35's and big air craft carriers will win this war lol

Plus Russia has millions of 100 mm rounds already produced. While the west is scrambling to manufacture rounds which are dwindling very fast

Actually makes sense




They were fighting an invader.

Still doesn't make sense?
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