24hourcampfire.com
24hourcampfire.com
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 2 of 2 1 2
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 6,556
J
Campfire Tracker
Online Content
Campfire Tracker
J
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 6,556
Are there any other 99 models that had D&T for barrel mounting blocks (under the rear sight)? That seems like the tell-tale sure sign that it is a Spiegle 99


"...One Nation under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for All"

JeffG
BP-B2

Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 3,479
Campfire Tracker
Offline
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 3,479
Originally Posted by JeffG
Are there any other 99 models that had D&T for barrel mounting blocks (under the rear sight)? That seems like the tell-tale sure sign that it is a Spiegle 99
Yes.
Rory and Jaaack both mention some above plus the 99EG I have. But those rifles don't have the other Spiegel characteristics such as swivels. Therefore technically not Spiegel.
That's why I theorize that those D&T'd rifles w/o swivels were done at Savage by workers for their own rifles.


"Every day above ground is a good day."
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 43,691
Campfire 'Bwana
Offline
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 43,691
Originally Posted by JeffG
Are there any other 99 models that had D&T for barrel mounting blocks (under the rear sight)? That seems like the tell-tale sure sign that it is a Spiegle 99
That's the difficulty. The Spiegel EG's aren't catalogued, and we are the ones finding out what they are through research. They used to often be called Salesmen Samples..

It's quite possible they aren't all Spiegel EG's. That it's just the Spiegel catalogs that we've found, but that they made up the same exact features on EG's for other retailers.


The Savage 99 Pocket Reference”.
All models and variations of 1895’s, 1899’s and 99’s covered.
Also dates, checkering, engraving.. Find at www.savagelevers.com
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,452
Campfire Regular
Online Content
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,452
I have a barrel band H in 303 that has the holes and the correct swivels.

Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,452
Campfire Regular
Online Content
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,452
Im sure Rory and Rick have mine documented.

IC B2

Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 43,691
Campfire 'Bwana
Offline
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 43,691
Yep. We've seen another couple of H's with the holes, but I don't think with the swivels. A couple of R's with holes, but no swivels.

So at the moment, yours is a one-off, I believe.


The Savage 99 Pocket Reference”.
All models and variations of 1895’s, 1899’s and 99’s covered.
Also dates, checkering, engraving.. Find at www.savagelevers.com
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,452
Campfire Regular
Online Content
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,452
Great!! Now i can list it as SUPER RARE and only one made. Lol. 😉

Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 2,923
Campfire Regular
Online Content
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 2,923
The scope blocks that fit these holes are listed by Lyman, if someone had some Lyman catalogs the time frame for them could be established and compared with Spiegel's. I have a 1932 catalog but it's missing the application pages which were an large folded sheet attached to the rear cover, at least in some later catalogs I have, so I don't know if any of those scope block's were offered in then. In 1932 you could send your rifle to Lyman and have any of there products mounted by them, or you could order rifles from them with sights or scopes mounted and sighted. They had scopes that mounted using blocks at this time, so some guns with those holes could have came through Lyman. There were at least 4 different height blocks for the rear holes offered by Lyman and two different for the front. I've seen a lot of ones for the rear, but I can't find any for the front. With as many of those blocks that seem to be around, it's hard to think they were only intended to be used by Spiegel.

Spiegel first started listing scopes and rifles drilled & tapped for scope blocks in 1936, I just have the Fall & Winter so I do not know if any were in the Spring & Summer, but scopes were not listed in the 1935 Fall & Winter.


Gene
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,452
Campfire Regular
Online Content
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,452
Originally Posted by Rick99
Originally Posted by Southern_WI_Savage
Originally Posted by Jaaack
Absent a letter showing that it was shipped to Spiegel
I probably missed it blush but do we have a rifle(s) that factory letters as being shipped to Spiegels?

36853x was reported to me as an EG with only the D&T and #7 swivels...lettered as shipped to Speigel.
My 303H has the swivels and is D/T and it just lettered as being shipped to Spiegels.

Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,452
Campfire Regular
Online Content
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,452
Also no roll stamp.

IC B3

Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 3,479
Campfire Tracker
Offline
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 3,479
What is the serial number?


"Every day above ground is a good day."
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,452
Campfire Regular
Online Content
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,452
Originally Posted by Southern_WI_Savage
What is the serial number?
3606xx

Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 3,479
Campfire Tracker
Offline
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 3,479
Thanks.
Good to know a rifle actually shipped to Spiegel had d&t, swivels but no stamp.


"Every day above ground is a good day."
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 6,484
Campfire Tracker
Offline
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 6,484
I am glad to hear that. I always was skeptacle about non roll engraved Spiegels. That info will go in the revision.


wyo1895
With Savage never say never.
For a copy of my book on engraved Savage lever actions rifles send a check for $80 to; David Royal, p.o. box 1271, Pinedale, Wy., 82941. I will sign and inscribe the book for you.
[email protected]

Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 14,559
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 14,559
The H model like Joe's, with no engraving, is pictured in one of the earlier Spiegel catalogs that GeneB posted. I have four in my Model-H data (357xxx to 360xxx range) that are D&T'd. Joe's is the only one that has been lettered.


Savage...never say "never".
Rick...

Join the NRA...together we stand, divided we fall!


Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 43,691
Campfire 'Bwana
Offline
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 43,691
But in the Spiegel catalog I remember, the 99H didn't have studs and I thought it said it couldn't have a scope added. Like above.

So those 4 might be from a very, very small early run. 357,xxx to 360,xxx would be mid-1936 to mid-1937 (slow sales, guns shipped out of order).

Joe, when did yours letter as shipping?


The Savage 99 Pocket Reference”.
All models and variations of 1895’s, 1899’s and 99’s covered.
Also dates, checkering, engraving.. Find at www.savagelevers.com
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,452
Campfire Regular
Online Content
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,452
Feb 23 1937

Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 43,691
Campfire 'Bwana
Offline
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 43,691
Thank you! Might be useful to find the ship dates of the ones that letter.

Makes you wonder how many might slip by unnoticed, not having a roll stamp and hard to see holes on top.


The Savage 99 Pocket Reference”.
All models and variations of 1895’s, 1899’s and 99’s covered.
Also dates, checkering, engraving.. Find at www.savagelevers.com
Page 2 of 2 1 2

Moderated by  Rick99, RickBin 

Link Copied to Clipboard
YB23

Who's Online Now
693 members (160user, 12344mag, 12308300, 17CalFan, 16Racing, 1234, 65 invisible), 2,700 guests, and 1,261 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Statistics
Forums81
Topics1,187,621
Posts18,398,558
Members73,817
Most Online11,491
Jul 7th, 2023


 







Fish & Game Departments | Solunar Tables | Mission Statement | Privacy Policy | Contact Us | DMCA
Hunting | Fishing | Camping | Backpacking | Reloading | Campfire Forums | Gear Shop
Copyright © 2000-2024 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5
(Release build 20201027)
Responsive Width:

PHP: 7.3.33 Page Time: 0.163s Queries: 15 (0.004s) Memory: 0.8835 MB (Peak: 1.0268 MB) Data Comp: Zlib Server Time: 2024-03-28 14:55:57 UTC
Valid HTML 5 and Valid CSS