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Load was 120 grains of Goex 1f, antelope was about 100 yards out, hit square in the shoulder it just sorta picked him up and dumped him about 10 ft down a dry wash he was standing beside. Same bullet in a 45 2.4 loaded with 85 grs put a bull elk down at 204 so hard he almost beat his shadow to the ground.
Even with the 3-400 grain bullets a ribcage on smaller stuff like deer and antelope hit will blow thru without a lot of fanfare, good but short blood trail, but hit the shoulder and it gets sorta spectacular.
Keep in mind the 45-70 throwing a 405 gr bullet around 1300 fps is what made that cartridge so long lived.
Hope you're shooter friend has good cases, as new ones are all but impossible to find.


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Originally Posted by Kurt71
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From the sound of the guy I don't think that he would have a problem shooting the 120 with a full load of black.
I used around 115 grains of 1F with I think was a 550 gr GG or a 400 gr flat nose and they played down Michigan UP bucks in fine shape. Recoil is stiff but manageable shooting game off hand and with the right bullet shape he will shoot several follow up shots with out fouling control.
Heck I'm 82 and still shoot my Shiloh .50-2.5 with a 700 gr bullet or the .44-90 bn with a full load of black.
I don't think Doc has any black powder left. It sounds like the gun has been in the closet for a number of years. He does have some 4064. He also has a 50-90 as I recall but he never mentioned bringing it out.

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Originally Posted by Ranch13
Load was 120 grains of Goex 1f, antelope was about 100 yards out, hit square in the shoulder it just sorta picked him up and dumped him about 10 ft down a dry wash he was standing beside. Same bullet in a 45 2.4 loaded with 85 grs put a bull elk down at 204 so hard he almost beat his shadow to the ground.
Even with the 3-400 grain bullets a ribcage on smaller stuff like deer and antelope hit will blow thru without a lot of fanfare, good but short blood trail, but hit the shoulder and it gets sorta spectacular.
Keep in mind the 45-70 throwing a 405 gr bullet around 1300 fps is what made that cartridge so long lived.
Hope you're shooter friend has good cases, as new ones are all but impossible to find.

My concern about brass is, Doc has some but it's been in a box for God only knows how many years and it's all corroded away. I'm sure it's a bear to find some of that stuff right now on the market. It seems from what I'm reading, that the 45-70 is more than enough to take Iowa deer with. Why he wants to dig out the 120 I don't know. Maybe he is going through his 2nd childhood. But, he lets us hunt his property so we keep him happy and he is a great guy and good neighbor. If things go to hell he has beef and deer on his place. We won't starve. Our only concern is keeping the illegals and the city folk off the property.

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Ild run those cases thru the cleaner and see how they clean up. But I'ld be pretty leary about shooting them with either black or smokeless if they're ate up at all.
Best bet might be to get ahold of Rocky Mountain Cartridge and get 10 or 20 cases for his hunt.


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5744 works well in my 45-90. Never shot a 45-120


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Foolish endeavor, but a man's man if he can tolerate the recoil.


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Originally Posted by 1minute
Foolish endeavor, but a man's man if he can tolerate the recoil.
I believe he is going through his second childhood. Of course, he has to spend some time with his wife in Florida. If everything works out I might have some pictures after September. I want to see this thing fire as well.

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Loaded quite a few of these huge BP cartridges with smokeless. Found that an over powder card wad followed dacron filler to keep everything locked down promotes good ignition and accuracy.

Today I use the Alliant BP substitute in everything as it shoots clean and works just like real BP.


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140 hrs. KIK 2F with 800 gr. Money Bullet!


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Originally Posted by Bugger
5744 works well in my 45-90. Never shot a 45-120
Unfortunately, after asking me to load up some 45-120's for him, Doc left Iowa to go to Florida to spend the winter with his wife. He has not returned. I don't expect to see him until May or June. She must really rule the roost and has taken his credit card away so he can't get a plane ticket back.

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Originally Posted by Sharpsman
140 grs. KIK 2F with 800 gr. Money Bullet!


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That's bs sharpie about 116 grs of Fg and a 550 gr ppb anything longer than that you will play hell with it staying stabilized at extended range. Mb


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To put it lightly...you don't know what you're talking about!

[Linked Image from live.staticflickr.com]1000 yards 50/90 PP by .com/photos/61286670N08/]Sharps Man, on [bleep]

A 98 from 1000 yards using the 800 gr. Money bullet! I was testing to see the elevation deviation and if I had taken a MOA left they'd all been inside the 20" inner plate which is ten ring size!


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Hey Sharps Feller, glad you're still looking down at the green grass and not up at the roots.

I remember you shooting that .50 and I thought at the time when you sold that shooter, WHY!! laugh

But I think this at 1K was better laugh

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Was 83 yesterday and feel good....eyes still good so I see the barrel sights on my Hawken just fine! Hope you're doing well! Talked with Bills wife Sidri couple days back and she's doing well! Good to hear from you! Still shoveling snow I bet!!

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All is well here Rick. Just the old age pains with the broken foot and fractured back that just don't seem to want to heal. But I put up with it, just grumble now and then.

Sure miss your posts.

That looks like a fine corn fed feller you're holding that looks like he out smarted the hunters for a few years.

Good work.

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Here's another! Hunted this one six days......before daylight until dark thirty! Kansas grows some big bucks! All fair chase no game farm. Property my son owns.

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Hello all
He's back. Doc is back from Florida. I bought a couple of books from Sharps1874 about loading the 45-120 and wouldn't you know it, he left them in Florida. He must of wanted out of there pretty bad.

Swifty left me with some loads from Hodgden. I'll be looking them over.

Thanks for the help on this thread.

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