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Stick,

What are your thoughts on an ideal lighterweight salami 223 with a criterion remage "James"? I have two more walmart clearance 700 223s that need worked over.

I went 20" light sporter 7 twist, I have TT triggers on hand. I'd like to just modify the adl mag boxes. I have some aluminum bar the right height to go the usual 2.6" on the mod.

Looking for stock that can adjust for the kids. I want them to put a lot of miles on these learning to dial and read wind. I want them throated for 88s but I also have thousands of 80g eldms I bought at 50% off. I prefer 75s or 88s so I want the kids burning these 80s.

I was thinking lss for the adjustable stock but would prefer an adl sporter style option. Maybe something with spacers for LOP? I'm going to need to get the bolts bushed. Where's the best place to send them too?

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You guys using Lever with the 88’s?


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I find the LSS pretty unhandy for Duffers,unless you can plan to keep it on a bipod for 'em. Hint.

An ADL LW handle is a tough score anymore and a longer wait,with McMillan changing hands. Spacers are a tough deal too and I'd simply go a Youth handle,until the britches fit better. If I couldn't score Milled followers,I'd simply go AICS and never look back. Unless it was a Montucky. Hint.

An AR is rather tough to beat for Duffers and Hornie 75 HPBT's do nice thangs. Hint.

For a LW Rifle,I want lesser than a Pre-fit's contour and a shorter shank. Montucky of course,RULING that roost. Hint......................


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I wish I had a few montuckys. I've been letting them drive my old 223 ai faux ti that I followed your lead on over 15 years ago.

The 21" pac nor 3 groove 8 twist mtn contour is still working its way through a pile of 75g amaxes. The kids get to fireform 100 lapua brass for me from time to time. I lose a few because that little rifle gets some field time.

I bought 3 aero m4e1 uppers and sequential numbered lowers for the kids already. Going s1 handguards but haven't settled on barrels. I like my 18" rifle length ones for myself but I'm going shorter and lighter for them.

My lightweight one they like has an old black hole weaponry 8 twist poly 3 groove 16" pencil. They fight over it so I'll find something similar for them. Looked at a faxon that was rifled about 14.5 with the last 1.5 being a built in break but I think I'd rather the option of changing muzzle devices or going thread protector.

I found a deal on some 16" .625 at block Hansen profile tubes that weigh 22 ounce. Might try one of those and if it shoots buy 2 more. Was thinking 12.5" handguard for the kids but wondering if 15 would be ok for them. I've got piles of 75 bthps and 73 eldms for them. They're learning to run the progressive so they can role their own.

Wish I still had enough 1st gen mtn contour ti stocks to cut a few down for them. I'd get some mtn brux 7 twists coming and pay to have them put on. The remage light sporter fits in the ti saum stocks I have. I have enough of those to cut a few down that's why I was thinking ti. They are still mostly adl but I've one that's opened for bdl and one opened for aics metal.

I had my remage 22 Creedmoor in a saum stock for a while and it was 1/2 or better with the first load for 88s even unbedded.

Wish kimber would bring back the 223 and twist it 7 this time.

The kids 6.5 g mini is in an LSS and it has always had a bipod on it. Didn't take us long to figure out it wasn't one for the bags sans bipod.

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I do have an Adirondack in 300bo with the skinny 16" 7 twist factory tube with the flared out for threads muzzle. I got it out last year so the kid could try it out but I couldn't get the adl mag box to feed the short little bo rounds.

I tried the tricks I thought I knew with adjusting the spring and the follower angle but so far I haven't figured it out. It would make a great 223 if I had a skinny barrel plumbed on but I'd like to get it feeding as a 300 bo. Anyone know the trick to that?

The kids would love the 300 bo suppressed with subsonic. I could get an m&p hollow point mold for it and cast and powder coat some cheap ammo for them.

I don't really want to cut on the stock but it already weighs under 5 pounds. If they follow me the boys will hit 6 foot tall at age 11 and the lop will be ok.

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I want 18" and Rifle Gas,but am happy to drop contours. I've seen longer handguards protect fingers and assist in keeping muzzles pointed where they should be,in order to preclude sight height POA/POI close proximity woes. Hint.

As to turnbolt feed/function woes on shorter cases,I prefer to shim the front of the box(aluminum) and carve a preemptive feedramp into same,which is a funnel to the funnel. It keeps case heads at a friendlier ride height,in relation to the bolt's nose. Hint.

Montucky 6BR here. Hint.

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Have the boys Krunchenticking,until it's time for a Custom Turnbolt. Hint............


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Pretty much like a 700 box mod but frontside with a dremil custom ramp. I have everything I need to give that a try. Figures if anyone has shorter than 223 on a kimber work around its stick. Once I get a 230g or so cast going that gives me some more customization options on the ramp if needed.

I was hopeful that the boys would like the little cz 600 trail I bought them last fall. It has about 4 positions on the collapsible stock, takes ar mags, and is 7 twisted and threaded. The barrel should be a lighter contour and I didn't really love the handguard and the way things went together.

As luck would have it the shop that I got my 7 prc element from yesterday had an employee that wanted a cz 600 trail. So I traded it off towards the element. The trail was a good concept I just don't think it was executed well and no one at my house is missing it yet.

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It's The Reverse Mike Bryant. Hint.(grin)

CZ doesn't get much of anything right and still doesn't understand the merits of Stainless. Hint.

If I didn't have a Herd of Montucky 7 Whizzum's,the 284 Prick Element might really call me. The 264 Kreed's are Skookum. Hint.

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I'd like to see an M5 DBM shroud for the Carbon mags,to help protect them under recoil and for a literal ounce of prevention. Hint.

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I LOVE my Baby BR Montucky. Hint..................

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I saw a used 8400 LA in 338 win the other day. Thought it might be a good one to rebarrel to 7 prc and then an even worse idea came to mind.

It's hard to want to change anything away from 7 but looking at the 7 prc makes me wonder what it would do necked to 6.5? The 6.5/7prc just to make it all more confusing. Maybe 147s at 3200 fps from an 8400 LA? Dies might be easy 7 prc fl bushing die and 6.5 prc seater?

I'd like an element in 6mm Creedmoor but I don't know if they exist so I had the local shop order a 20" way point. They have waypoints in 6.5 on the shelf and i really like the way they point.

I love my fieldcraft in 6 Creedmoor with 108s. I've only killed one buck with it at 425 but it worked very well. I found the bullet under the skin on the off should and it's perfect looking mushroom but peeled back a ways and missing maybe 30 grains.

Im not sure how the 108s would do up close starting them at 3000 in the Creedmoor but they should be awesome on game at the speeds I'm running them in my ar arc.

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I'm happy to let BC do the heavy lifting and to simply watch the show. Hint.

A 8" RPM 284 Prick will scoot .838 BC Beer Cans at 2800fps+ and that is simply fhuqking SENSATIONAL. You gotta be in a Hurricane,to keep schit anywhere close to "fair". Hint.

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The .243" 108 in a Kreed',is a nice place to be and not asking too much of a cup/core. I shoot them in 270,ARC,BR and all the way up to Six Twat-Six,with numerous stops along the way. In my Seex Kreed FC,I'm squirting 112 MB's. Same goes my FC 243 Win. They are also mainstays in my First Gen Havak and Waypoint. Hint.

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The 243 Grendel don't give a fhuqk about much and projectiles behave VERY favorably in same. For travelling M4 feedramps,I trust in Hornie 105 HPBT's,whether Small Frame or Large Frame Krunchentickers...they don't give a fhuqk about anything and are ruggedly reliable. Hint...............


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Those 108 and 105 HPBT’s are easy to like in the ARC or Creed. Have some 110 ATips but haven’t loaded one, yet.


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The 243 Beer Cans are slick. Hint.

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I think there's another 1000 112's in this pile of Mail. Hint.................(grin)


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Have you used 112s on game yet? If so how did they do? I've taken deer with the 105 berger vldh and it worked really well even at only about 100 yards. I'll have to order some 112s.

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I have and quite a few pards are gunning them now...from 6BR to Six Twat-Six. They are far more consistent/reliable than a Sugar and less zooky than a Booger. It seems I'm ordering them all the time. Hint..............(grin)


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I'll put 500 on my next powder valley order. The 6mm Creedmoor has become one of my favorite rounds lately and hopefully I'll have another one to feed soon.

I also have a 700 243 I had built over 15 years ago by Jim See with an 8 twist brux light palma on it. I took it out last year after ignoring it for several years and put a new dmr bushy 3.5-21 on it. The rifle still shoots great and reminded me how much fun medium 24s with the right twist can be.

I'm coming to an end of my pile of 105 amax amps I've been driving in it since it was new but the barrel still has some life. With h1000 it gets over 3100 with the 105s but I'm down to its last 8 pounder from a case I bought back when you could get h1000. It's time to work a new load for the old 243 and the 112 looks like a good candidate.

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I've better than halfa dozen Seex Kreed's now,all of which are Skookum. Hint.

Was thinkin' I smelled fresh boolits in the Mail. Hint.(grin)

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While I obviously shoot 243 Win,I do muchly prefer the Kreedmire. I've had good luck with the DMR's. Hint.

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I like Super' in both,with 105-12's and still have 105 'Max Love. Hint.

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The 112's are gonna chew up COAL in the 243 of your's,but are happy in binderless AICS DBM's,barring a Linda Lovelace throat. Hint..................


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I had that 243 throated for 105 amaxes at 2.79" back in the day when 6mm bullets didn't get much better than the 105 amax. I figured that would give me a bit to chase lands and it has but those 112s do look pretty long.

That's part of why I love the 6 creed. It leaves enough room in the mag box. I may need to convert the old 243 to aids because I won't go down the wyatts road again. Maybe I'll go to 108s in the 243 and switch the 6 creeds to 112s.

I've got a few thousand 108s on hand but the ar arc is using them too so they'll go away soon. Just before covid a local shop had 108s at $20 a box so I bought about 3000. Turns out the 6 creed fieldcraft loves 108s.

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That must be an older midway screen shot for the dmr? The last 4 I bought was over a year ago and I paid around $800 each and thought I stole them. Too bad I missed that price or I would have stole 4 more.

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While we're at it talking 112s and 223s etc what's the thought on 6x45 in say a 7 twist slinging 112s at a sedate speed? I've yet to do a 6x45 but I've been intrigued by one as an efficient round for a short barreled rifle.

Given today's 22 options like the 88 I'd concluded that a fast twist salami 223 is probably the better mouse trap but seeing the 112 bc above .6 has me thinking again.

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7.5" RPM 19" MTU Bart' 270 on far right. Hint.

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Bushed 'pin,Lever',yada,yada,yada. Hint................


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