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A quick look at:

https://www.schmidtundbender.de/en/products/turrets/hunting.html

..shows the following which is what I think mine looks like. I'll verify tonight.

[Linked Image from schmidtundbender.de]

I verified the BDC's added to mine (6x42 and 3-12x42) both start at 0 and end with 2 hashes past 30.

This turret is 0.25 MOA/click. 0.25x32 = 8 MOA which is very close to 2.4 MILs (8.256 MOA).


Not according to S&B or according to the dialing I've done with mine. When I had them added through S&B's US office I had to specify if I wanted them in MOA or MIL. I chose MIL.

The following is from https://www.schmidtundbender.de/en/products/turrets/hunting.html

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BDC (Elevation)
Classic Bullet Drop Compensation (BDC) elevation turret
This unique and proven BDC is a very simple system which can be operated without using any tools. By using the coin slot it can be reset easily to zero. After this, one simple movement is enough to adjust the reticle to distant targets. Marks and numbers are in cm which means that the number “5” is standing for 5 cm/100 m.

Available for: Zenith and Klassik Series

16 cm/100 m 32 cm/100 m 48 cm/100 m
3–12x50 Zenith X
3–12x42 Klassik X
3–12x50 Klassik X
4–16x50 Klassik X

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Originally Posted by JCMCUBIC
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Originally Posted by JCMCUBIC
Originally Posted by JCMCUBIC
A quick look at:

https://www.schmidtundbender.de/en/products/turrets/hunting.html

..shows the following which is what I think mine looks like. I'll verify tonight.

[Linked Image from schmidtundbender.de]

I verified the BDC's added to mine (6x42 and 3-12x42) both start at 0 and end with 2 hashes past 30.

This turret is 0.25 MOA/click. 0.25x32 = 8 MOA which is very close to 2.4 MILs (8.256 MOA).


Not according to S&B or according to the dialing I've done with mine. When I had them added through S&B's US office I had to specify if I wanted them in MOA or MIL. I chose MIL.

The following is from https://www.schmidtundbender.de/en/products/turrets/hunting.html

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BDC (Elevation)
Classic Bullet Drop Compensation (BDC) elevation turret
This unique and proven BDC is a very simple system which can be operated without using any tools. By using the coin slot it can be reset easily to zero. After this, one simple movement is enough to adjust the reticle to distant targets. Marks and numbers are in cm which means that the number “5” is standing for 5 cm/100 m.

Available for: Zenith and Klassik Series

16 cm/100 m 32 cm/100 m 48 cm/100 m
3–12x50 Zenith X
3–12x42 Klassik X
3–12x50 Klassik X
4–16x50 Klassik X
All good. I'm just relaying my experience to the 24HCF because one poster is excited about 4.8 MILs of elev travel on his Klassik which may turn out to be only 2.4 MILs.

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Ok guys, I have been in contact with Euro Optics this morning and "Sam" with them spoke to S&B and confirmed that the vertical increments on the 2.5-12x42 LM P3L is in fact 1/2 cm, not 1 cm as advertised and we were lead to believe.

You guys that have purchased that scope since its reintroduction should most likely contact Sam at EO and discuss this. I am sending mine back.

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Well … damn. wink

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I want to apologize to the OP for highjacking his thread. Any future comments will be in a separate post.

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With the details on their website for that specific turret on the 3-12x42 being listed as 48 cm they have really screwed the pooch somewhere along the way.

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Originally Posted by JCMCUBIC
With the details on their website for that specific turret on the 3-12x42 being listed as 48 cm they have really screwed the pooch somewhere along the way.
Yeah, I agree J. It’s going to be a while before I can get a chance to get this thing mounted and sorted out but it’s listed everywhere as 48. And I really don’t think this is too much of a thread drift to stay here as; 1), this IS the optics forum, and 2), it was one of the recommended scopes.

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Someone needs to throw it on a rifle and verify the adjustments at the range. Making it .05 mrad is absolutely insane.

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I was going to buy one from EuroOptic and they said the same thing, 0.05mrad clicks for a total of 2.4 mils.


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Man this sucks. Less travel that the last available option which I sent off for a turret.

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What cartridge? While I understand the aggravation, why not run a 20 MOA base or ring setup?

With a flat base 2.4 mils gets you 400-450yards or so with a 308 and 168s. Adding the 20moa will get you past 600.

With a 280AI velocities 2.4 will get you past 500. 20 MOA base pushes beyond.

What are you trying to achieve with a hunting scope and rifle?

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Originally Posted by CBB15
What cartridge? While I understand the aggravation, why not run a 20 MOA base or ring setup?

With a flat base 2.4 mils gets you 400-450yards or so with a 308 and 168s. Adding the 20moa will get you past 600.

With a 280AI velocities 2.4 will get you past 500. 20 MOA base pushes beyond.

What are you trying to achieve with a hunting scope and rifle?

The 2.4 mils are what is available on the dial, 48 clicks at .5 cm, not the total travel of the scope adjustment. A 20 MOA base still only gives you 2.4 mils on the dial. The dial is the limiting factor.

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What cartridge? While I understand the aggravation, why not run a 20 MOA base or ring setup?

With a flat base 2.4 mils gets you 400-450yards or so with a 308 and 168s. Adding the 20moa will get you past 600.

With a 280AI velocities 2.4 will get you past 500. 20 MOA base pushes beyond.

What are you trying to achieve with a hunting scope and rifle?

The 2.4 mils are what is available on the dial, 48 clicks at .5 cm, not the total travel of the scope adjustment. A 20 MOA base still only gives you 2.4 mils on the dial. The dial is the limiting factor.

Understood. Stupid design but my question stands. How many mils does one need in a dedicated hunting scope?

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Today I received a 3-12 back from S&B that I'd sent in for an upgrade to the new 4.8 dial. Mine was .1 mil adjustments before sent in and was the same when returned for 4.8 mils adjustment with the dial. Verified by dialing and comparing reticle change as well as sighting in and target test.

There's a downside with 3-12....it has limited elevation travel and bottomed out with the 25 MOA rings...at 200 yards it's still ~3 mil high. I have a 20 MOA base I can switch it out to, but that may still be high at 200 yards. The never produced, 15 MOA base would be perfect.

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Originally Posted by JCMCUBIC
Today I received a 3-12 back from S&B that I'd sent in for an upgrade to the new 4.8 dial. Mine was .1 mil adjustments before sent in and was the same when returned for 4.8 mils adjustment with the dial. Verified by dialing and comparing reticle change as well as sighting in and target test.

There's a downside with 3-12....it has limited elevation travel and bottomed out with the 25 MOA rings...at 200 yards it's still ~3 mil high. I have a 20 MOA base I can switch it out to, but that may still be high at 200 yards. The never produced, 15 MOA base would be perfect.
Thanks for that update J.

No idea why they would be sending out new scopes with that dial that are 0.05 mill adjustments then. Somewhere, somehow, something’s getting lost in translation.

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Originally Posted by JCMCUBIC
Today I received a 3-12 back from S&B that I'd sent in for an upgrade to the new 4.8 dial. Mine was .1 mil adjustments before sent in and was the same when returned for 4.8 mils adjustment with the dial. Verified by dialing and comparing reticle change as well as sighting in and target test.

There's a downside with 3-12....it has limited elevation travel and bottomed out with the 25 MOA rings...at 200 yards it's still ~3 mil high. I have a 20 MOA base I can switch it out to, but that may still be high at 200 yards. The never produced, 15 MOA base would be perfect.

This is very good news. Presumably, the turret is the same as before; that is with 48 detents/clicks and less than one revolution travel, which means the internals changed somehow. Correct? I have several 3-12x42 Klassiks that could use the some upgrade. I'd love to know, and I imagine a few other members as well, exactly how you were able to make this happen. Who did you talk to and how much did it cost? Stuff like that. I imagine the scope had to go back to Germany so the turn around time was likely several months.

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I'm not sure about internals changing, just the parts for the dial and how it seats...I believe the internals are the same as previous. It works exactly like the 3.2. S&B US Service Center takes care of it in house. They have to receive the dial from Germany and as I understand it, the one the installed for me was the only one they'd received. Turn around is very quick.

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Originally Posted by JCMCUBIC
Today I received a 3-12 back from S&B that I'd sent in for an upgrade to the new 4.8 dial. Mine was .1 mil adjustments before sent in and was the same when returned for 4.8 mils adjustment with the dial. Verified by dialing and comparing reticle change as well as sighting in and target test.

There's a downside with 3-12....it has limited elevation travel and bottomed out with the 25 MOA rings...at 200 yards it's still ~3 mil high. I have a 20 MOA base I can switch it out to, but that may still be high at 200 yards. The never produced, 15 MOA base would be perfect.

Yesterday I swapped the 25 MOA hybrids for a 20 MOA rail and Seekins low rings (.82). Obviously this gave me 5 more MOA on the bottom end but it also seems the rings w/rail lowered the scope a touch based on how close the bolt handle is to the cover on the eyepiece. I ended up with .5 mil left in the elevation bank after a hasty 200 yard zero. If I can work it in today I'll verify and check drops.

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Originally Posted by JCMCUBIC
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Today I received a 3-12 back from S&B that I'd sent in for an upgrade to the new 4.8 dial. Mine was .1 mil adjustments before sent in and was the same when returned for 4.8 mils adjustment with the dial. Verified by dialing and comparing reticle change as well as sighting in and target test.

There's a downside with 3-12....it has limited elevation travel and bottomed out with the 25 MOA rings...at 200 yards it's still ~3 mil high. I have a 20 MOA base I can switch it out to, but that may still be high at 200 yards. The never produced, 15 MOA base would be perfect.

Yesterday I swapped the 25 MOA hybrids for a 20 MOA rail and Seekins low rings (.82). Obviously this gave me 5 more MOA on the bottom end but it also seems the rings w/rail lowered the scope a touch based on how close the bolt handle is to the cover on the eyepiece. I ended up with .5 mil left in the elevation bank after a hasty 200 yard zero. If I can work it in today I'll verify and check drops.
How did it go? Anything to report the campfire?

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Nothing other than it adjusts as it should. Really like the scope and extra 1.6 mil of the new turret.

Just realize that if you're purchasing one of these a 20 MOA rail will be about the limit of the lower elevation travel. The 25 MOA rings need more adjustment than the elevation travel of the scope contains to zero.

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