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Originally Posted by Big Stick
Firstly because it is a Military chambering. Secondly,it is amazingly well supported in componetry,because of the above. Thirdly,it offers a nice combo of performance down range,relative damage to the pocketbook for fodder and relative barrel life. Fourthly,recoil is essentially dick.

I'm no great fan of the 308,as it pretty much makes me yawn,but it's melding of attributes make it tough to overlook for high volume Precision and dat's why I have a few.

A sound 308,will squarely get you into the game,with minimal fuss..................

^All this. To explicate on one of Stick's lines, there has historically been a ton of cheap factory match ammo for 308, generally for less than you could load it at home. If you're just getting into the sport will be much easier to learn on a 6.5 creed but you maybe won't appreciate how good you have it.

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The .308 Winchester is not popular for long range competition shooting except disciplines that require its use per the rules. Otherwise, you'll rarely see .308 Winchester. PRS? Its mostly 6mm chamberings. Benchrest? 6mm rules the roost. F-Open 7mm cartridges dominate.

PALMA, F-T/R...yeah you get .308 Winchester from the rules.


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My battery of 308's have a short freebore chamber where I shoot a 169g sierra boat tail/shank seated right at the shoulder neck neck junction of the Lapua brass, bullet is .003 off the lands. 155g Scenar, just kills deer and hogs like a bolt of lightning hit them. Rem 700's with their barrel set back when new shoot tiny groups, other wise, I prefer Brux and Krieger 4Groove. My brother has had exceptional luck with the 155g Berger VLD hunting on deer and hogs at some distance, but it is not the bullet for me.

If you are going a custom route, consider the 7/08, throat for a 162 eldm OR a 180 ELDM....get ready for the shock of your life on a trajectory table. R#19 with the 162's simply blow your mind at 600 yards. 180g at 2600 is where I am playing now, load development is in progress. As the news gets out on the 7/08 with the 162's, lot of the retarded junk going down the road real fast. With this 162g load hitting real hard and helacious wind bucking, my brother is ready to get rid of a dozen rifles.

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I see that the NRA long range national championship was just won again by a local shooter using his .308 Palma rifle, 155 grain bullets and iron sights. Beat all of the any cartridge any sight competitors....


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The Canadian Cup is for any rifle without the Palma match. That was won with a 798-35. It includes four 20 shot matches at 1000 yards.

The Sierra Trophy is the same aggregate as the Canadian Cup but for Palma Rifles. Oliver shot a 793-37.

Apples to apples the Palma rifle was 5 points behind.

Oliver shot extremely well.

The overall championship that Oliver won includes a Palma match. The last day he was down five going in to that match for the championship. He won it with the Palma score which is everybody shooting 308s.

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Originally Posted by MikeS
I see that the NRA long range national championship was just won again by a local shooter using his .308 Palma rifle, 155 grain bullets and iron sights. Beat all of the any cartridge any sight competitors....
Just think how well he might have done had he been using the really good higher BC bullets ?
I mean these guys obviously pay no attention to the internet as for where things are today. lol

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Originally Posted by Mike70560
The Canadian Cup is for any rifle without the Palma match. That was won with a 798-35. It includes four 20 shot matches at 1000 yards.

The Sierra Trophy is the same aggregate as the Canadian Cup but for Palma Rifles. Oliver shot a 793-37.

Apples to apples the Palma rifle was 5 points behind.

Oliver shot extremely well.

The overall championship that Oliver won includes a Palma match. The last day he was down five going in to that match for the championship. He won it with the Palma score which is everybody shooting 308s.

Guess they need to practice more...


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He was down five points and made it up on the Palma match, impressive shooting. a 449 in Palma is tough to shoot.

But my point is that it is very difficult for shooters of equal abilities to win with a 308. Oliver made up five points when shooting against other 308s.

That is why there is a Palma class and also FTR in F-Class.

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I know, yanking your chain a little, keep in mind though that the 200-19x 1000 yard national record shot with a Palma rifle has not been beaten by an any/any shooter, and it was shot at Raton.


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Oliver has a 200-19X strings in the NRA record book. There is no note showing what rifle, I am assuming a Palma gun. Ken Porter shot a 200-19X also and is in the record book also.

It made me sad to look at the record, I saw Tony Miller's name with a 200-16. He made the Palma team last year and tragically died in a fire at his home soon after.

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This is old and may not be current, but in 2018 I believe a 1.068" 5 shot group was shot at 1000 yards. The cartridge was a modified 6BR called a 6mmbraw shooting a 103 grain bullet.

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Originally Posted by Mike70560
Oliver has a 200-19X strings in the NRA record book. There is no note showing what rifle, I am assuming a Palma gun. Ken Porter shot a 200-19X also and is in the record book also.

It made me sad to look at the record, I saw Tony Miller's name with a 200-16. He made the Palma team last year and tragically died in a fire at his home soon after.

Didn't think my post would generate so much interest. The competition forum is usually so slow.

It was, Oliver competes with Palma rifles only (plus he told me). A Borden or Defiance action, Eliseo R1 stock, molly'd 155 Berger Hybrids and a ton of powder. He shot another 200-19 at one of our practices, but not a registered match. Sorry to hear about your friend. I practice regularly with three team members and they worked very hard to get there.


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Originally Posted by butchlambert1
This is old and may not be current, but in 2018 I believe a 1.068" 5 shot group was shot at 1000 yards. The cartridge was a modified 6BR called a 6mmbraw shooting a 103 grain bullet.

Pretty sure that cartridge is the 6mm BRA (BR Ackley Improved). I know it has set a lot of records.


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Originally Posted by butchlambert1
This is old and may not be current, but in 2018 I believe a 1.068" 5 shot group was shot at 1000 yards. The cartridge was a modified 6BR called a 6mmbraw shooting a 103 grain bullet.

Pretty sure that cartridge is the 6mm BRA (BR Ackley Improved). I know it has set a lot of records.


There is a cottage industry in 6BR wildcats.

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I know of a couple thuty-thutys that are very competitive in both short range BR and 600yard shooting.

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Michael Turner shot a 100-200 yard agg of 499-25x for 8th place in the NBRSA Score National shooting his thuty-thuty.

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Originally Posted by drop_point
The .308 Winchester is not popular for long range competition shooting except disciplines that require its use per the rules. Otherwise, you'll rarely see .308 Winchester. PRS? Its mostly 6mm chamberings.


My humble experience doesn't mean much but any of the regional one day PRS matches I've been involved in, the 308 has it's own class. Out of a 100 shooter roster, 10 maybe a dozen shot 308. It's usually the guys with Mil/LEO background. Scores actually ran pretty much on par with the open class that I shot in.

Fast twisted high BC bullets in 6mm chamberings are vastly popular because if there was a better overall trade off they wouldn't be. The serious ones grope for every advantage they can find, the not-so-serious ones are following the herd.

A few outliers bought into the hype and got into it with a factory built 6.5 Creed and factory "match" ammo, but the alleged magical Creed never got them off the bottom of the score sheet that I can recall.


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