i bought a japanese weaver 6x38 the other day off gunbroker $65 to my door no one would bid on it its about 98% glass was dirty but cleaned up (no swirls or scratch marks) a couple of nicks in the finish on the turret caps but its super light and glass is great i think i am going to mount it on a model 7 308 or 7mm08 in some lightweight talley's
i bought a japanese weaver 6x38 the other day off gunbroker $65 to my door no one would bid on it its about 98% glass was dirty but cleaned up (no swirls or scratch marks) a couple of nicks in the finish on the turret caps but its super light and glass is great i think i am going to mount it on a model 7 308 or 7mm08 in some lightweight talley's
I’ve got two of these and they definitely outperform. That’s another scope that is no longer produced.
My favorite fixed power is the Zeiss Diatal C 6x32. I have three mounted on various rifles and wouldn't trade them for anything. I do have a Leupold 6x36 on a #1 and that works out great also. I have shot many deer with these scopes from 10-150 yards with no complaints. When I was younger and my eyes were better my go to scope was an older Burris Fullfield with a post crosshair. I wish I could get a straight 6 with the same reticule.
The Reupold 12x is a Goat Fhuqk. They won't/don't/can't hold zero,track or repeat. On top of that,erector travel is hilariously dismal. Hint.
A 12x MQ simply fhuqking crushes them,but is a poor choice for a Utility 223. I only have (4) Teeker 223's,all 8". 2-12x BTR Gen 2 FFP Mil/Mil,Barkin' Arken 4-16x 30mm LW FFP Mil/Mil,Bushie LRHS 4.5-18x FFP Mil/Mil and 6x MQ. Hint.
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Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
The Reupold 12x is a Goat Fhuqk. They won't/don't/can't hold zero,track or repeat. On top of that,erector travel is hilariously dismal. Hint.
A 12x MQ simply fhuqking crushes them,but is a poor choice for a Utility 223. I only have (4) Teeker 223's,all 8". 2-12x BTR Gen 2 FFP Mil/Mil,Barkin' Arken 4-16x 30mm LW FFP Mil/Mil,Bushie LRHS 4.5-18x FFP Mil/Mil and 6x MQ. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!...............
Hey, the Fugktard from Far North has chimed in. He knows as much as any man can know about said scope. I’m just saying he has Botox on his face and chin. LMAO.
Pardon wares that exist,as you Google aloud and steal content. Hint.
Fortunately for you,Imagination and Pretend are free,so you can "afford" to "contribute". Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!...............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
With the hunting I do, I'm generally not zooming in and out trying to pick some optimal level of magnification. Single-digit magnification is almost always more than adequate simply because I don't encounter much wide open space. The variable scopes that I do have max out at what today is probably considered moderate values of 8x, 9x, 10x & 12x.
So I get a lot of good usage out of my Leupold Big Bore 3x20, FX-3 6x42, Meopta R2 8x56 RD, a Malcolm 6x for my 1885 primitive setup & then a pair of older Weaver & Tasco 4x32's in excellent condition. Whenever I get a new rifle, I generally have a good idea of what it's intended usage is going to be & I always consider a fixed scope as my first option. That choice would be easier to make if the fixed options were more abundant because I do like them.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with scopes that have wide zoom ranges, lots of dials & busy reticles for the shooters who are skilled enough to use them properly or take demanding long-range shots. For me, it injects a level of complexity that doesn't translate into value for the lower requirements of the tasks I'm trying to accomplish. I prefer simplicity because it works better for me.
The big, heavy variable power scopes of today are simply a marketing gimmick to people who all want to play sniper. My elk rifle is a 338Fed Montana with a Laupild 4x and I can shoot an elk sized target as far as the round is useful. My bolt action deer rifles tend to be topped with fixed 4x or 6x scopes and they too are perfectly adequate for any shot I would take at a distant deer or pig. The bells and whistles on scopes today can serve a purpose, but considering that most hunters have no business shooting more than a couple hundred yards at a live game animal in hunting conditions anyway, they become a moot point when implemented by such hunters. Yet, more and more that’s what I see on these rifles. Go to the range and you have some Fudd with a whizz-bang rifle and a scope that can see into next week. Walk to the targets and you’d think this was their 3rd time ever at a rifle range. The simplicity of a fixed power scope has many advantages, particularly ruling out stupid mistakes like walking around with your zoom maxed out or having target knobs spun around to who knows where. There is a lot going for the hunter who uses a good fixed power scope sighted in for MPBR.
I have a Leupold M8 6x on my Ruger 77 30-06. The rifle is ceracoted matte black and has a B&C synthetic stock that fits me perfectly. It's my go-anywhere, do-anything rifle.
A Leupold M8 4x is going on my Marlin ,357 lever action and it is just lightning quick in the dense woods I occasionally hunt. Practicing and plinking with 38 special ammo is also quite fun.
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing -- Edmund Burke
The big, heavy variable power scopes of today are simply a marketing gimmick to people who all want to play sniper. My elk rifle is a 338Fed Montana with a Laupild 4x and I can shoot an elk sized target as far as the round is useful. My bolt action deer rifles tend to be topped with fixed 4x or 6x scopes and they too are perfectly adequate for any shot I would take at a distant deer or pig. The bells and whistles on scopes today can serve a purpose, but considering that most hunters have no business shooting more than a couple hundred yards at a live game animal in hunting conditions anyway, they become a moot point when implemented by such hunters. Yet, more and more that’s what I see on these rifles. Go to the range and you have some Fudd with a whizz-bang rifle and a scope that can see into next week. Walk to the targets and you’d think this was their 3rd time ever at a rifle range. The simplicity of a fixed power scope has many advantages, particularly ruling out stupid mistakes like walking around with your zoom maxed out or having target knobs spun around to who knows where. There is a lot going for the hunter who uses a good fixed power scope sighted in for MPBR.
Gals who say schit that fhuqking STUPID,shoot VERY little and routinely hail from Texas...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
Mechanical integrity,is neither a "bell" or a "whistle",if only to the chagrin of Crying Karens the World over. "MPBR" is The Retard Swan Song. Read that again. Now one more time. Hint.
You CLUELESS Crying Dumbfhuqks are a hoot! Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
The Reupold 12x is a Goat Fhuqk. They won't/don't/can't hold zero,track or repeat. On top of that,erector travel is hilariously dismal. Hint.
A 12x MQ simply fhuqking crushes them,but is a poor choice for a Utility 223. I only have (4) Teeker 223's,all 8". 2-12x BTR Gen 2 FFP Mil/Mil,Barkin' Arken 4-16x 30mm LW FFP Mil/Mil,Bushie LRHS 4.5-18x FFP Mil/Mil and 6x MQ. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!...............
Hey, the Fugktard from Far North has chimed in. He knows as much as any man can know about said scope. I’m just saying he has Botox on his face and chin. LMAO.
He’s on ignore for me.
I like my FX-3 12x40 AO Target scopes. We really slayed the sage rats and marmots last week with them.
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Obey lawful commands. Video interactions. Hold bad cops accountable. Problem solved.
Besides being a CLUELESS Fhuqk,what were the "odds" that you just also "happen" to be a Lying Piece Of Fhuqking Schit to boot...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
The Reupold 12X's are frail fhuqks,just like you. Hint.
Pardon my simply shooting it all and then some,as you Google aloud. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!...............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Leupold is about the last company I'd hang my hopes on in regards to fixed scopes. Remember when they came on here and basically told people their scopes are awesome and we're just morons? I have some older fixed Leupolds I like and trust, but between the goofy looks and lackluster reliability of their current production stuff they don't even enter into my mind as an option. They just can't help but make a mess of things. For example, does anyone really want their 2.5 with a wide duplex reticle? For that matter, do that many people really want a CDS install on a 1.5-5? No! Most people who want a scope in this power range, whether fixed or variable, want either a normal duplex or something useful for the woods like a #4 or HD.
I wonder who's driving the bus for scope makers. It brings to mind something Jack O'Connor wrote years ago, I believe in his last book: Executives from one of the big gun makers came to him with questions about product request letters they were getting from supposed customers asking for some kinda off the wall stuff. They wanted to know what he thought of the ideas coming forth. It turned out the ideas and requests they were getting were coming from 12 year old boys who were excited to be new hunters and gun owners. So I must ask, in our time, are the 6.5 CM dudes doing alot of emailing?
For example, does anyone really want their 2.5 with a wide duplex reticle? ... ... Most people who want a scope in this power range, whether fixed or variable, want either a normal duplex or something useful for the woods like a #4 or HD.
Agreed. The wide duplex reticle is better than no reticle, but that's all it has going for it. I can't give a blanket like to "#4 reticles" because many of them have their thick parts ending too far away from center just like the wide duplex.
Originally Posted by pabucktail
... For that matter, do that many people really want a CDS install on a 1.5-5? No!
If it was reliable I wouldn't mind an elevation turret on a 1.5-5x20.
"In the real world, think of the 6.5 Creedmoor as the modernized/standardized/optimized version of the 6.5x55/.260." John Barsness 2019
......For example, does anyone really want their 2.5 with a wide duplex reticle?....
With complete respect, I do want, and like, my 2.5x with a heavy duplex. In the deep woods of Northern New England, that heavy reticule is just excellent for picking out what I'm aiming at from twigs, branches, understory, etc. in the deep woods. Especially so in low light situations. Might not be PC, but give me the braille method anytime. It's fast and helps result in a sure outcome, if one is to be had.
......For example, does anyone really want their 2.5 with a wide duplex reticle?....
With complete respect, I do want, and like, my 2.5x with a heavy duplex. In the deep woods of Northern New England, that heavy reticule is just excellent for picking out what I'm aiming at from twigs, branches, understory, etc. in the deep woods. Especially so in low light situations. Might not be PC, but give me the braille method anytime. It's fast and helps result in a sure outcome, if one is to be had.
I believe you're confusing wide duplex and heavy duplex.
"In the real world, think of the 6.5 Creedmoor as the modernized/standardized/optimized version of the 6.5x55/.260." John Barsness 2019