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Originally Posted by PaintedDesert
The 270 is my all time favorite. It was my first gun and it’s on its second, almost third barrel. It’s the one that feels the best with everything. Everything like reloading, walking, shooting, getting past fences, & in and out of the truck. I bet I have over 10,000 rounds shot in 40 years and I’m putting much more through it lately. I try the usual powders like H4831&SC, R22, R19, IMR 4350, MRP, & 7828. I usually use 130 grainSPBT and 140 TSX. I haven’t tried the newer powder like Stabill, Big Game, Superformance, or others. I want to, but never tried the Vhitavorhi powders. The best yet is H 4831 or IMR 4350 and they do so well that I may not ever try the others. If a 270 does poorly with 4831, it’s probably a bad 270 and needs to go away.

Great post. I find IMR4350 to be a surprisingly good powder for the old 270 as well. We'd probably all be amazed at how many tons of 4831 has been burned up in 270 winchesters as well.


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As a fan of the old 270 I have enjoyed this thread. I'm going to experiment with some of the suggestions that have been made. Someone mentioned it earlier but an amazing combo in my rifle is Hunter powder and a 110 gr TTSX. I worked up to the max load in the Barnes data. Very fast. Very accurate. Deadly. I've used it on several deer and several elk.


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Originally Posted by ttpoz
As a fan of the old 270 I have enjoyed this thread. I'm going to experiment with some of the suggestions that have been made. Someone mentioned it earlier but an amazing combo in my rifle is Hunter powder and a 110 gr TTSX. I worked up to the max load in the Barnes data. Very fast. Very accurate. Deadly. I've used it on several deer and several elk.

Sounds like a great load. I'm getting ready to take my new to me 270 fwt out. It's pretty beat up, but a cool old rifle.
Just put a red pachmayr on it. Initial tests will be with some factory ammo I got from a buddy. Then I will probably load up something with H4831. That Barnes bullet with Hunter sounds like a great idea though. I may try something like that as well:
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I'm in the 270win business as 308win and 270win are my goto tools. Stocked up on bullet like winchester power points, speer hot core, noslers, and some TSX. Today I acquired 1000 CCI 250 primers.

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Geez those primers are hard to come by!


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This was a tracking experiment with an older 2-8 Baush and Lomb scope mounted on my Encore 270 barrel. I guess IMR 4350 is a powder of modern times.

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After lookin' past the ole IMR 4831/150 gr. .270Win workhorse load, decided to update to the Hodgdon 4831SC variety, mainly for the Temp. stability.

Also used to load mainly Partitions in that weight, hot, but now find that, at ~ 2800 fps at the muzzle, the inexpensive SPEER Grand Slam (current mono-core) makes a fine practice and hunting round both, to as far as usually need to shoot.

Got a pile during the last factory rebate, dirt cheap.

Small groups, and generally a pass-through w/ good exit wounds.

Also have some copper 140 gr. TSX, run a hundred or so fps. faster.

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Originally Posted by Garandimal
After lookin' past the ole IMR 4831/150 gr. .270Win workhorse load, decided to update to the Hodgdon 4831SC variety, mainly for the Temp. stability.

Also used to load mainly Partitions in that weight, hot, but now find that, at ~ 2800 fps at the muzzle, the inexpensive SPEER Grand Slam (current mono-core) makes a fine practice and hunting round both, to as far as usually need to shoot.

Got a pile during the last factory rebate, dirt cheap.

Small groups, and generally a pass-through w/ good exit wounds.

Also have some copper 140 gr. TSX, run a hundred or so fps. faster.

No complaints.




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In my younger years I shot everything with 150 grain Speer Hotcors and Hornady innerlocks, good results every time started at or near 2800 fps.


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Originally Posted by rickt300
Originally Posted by Garandimal
After lookin' past the ole IMR 4831/150 gr. .270Win workhorse load, decided to update to the Hodgdon 4831SC variety, mainly for the Temp. stability.

Also used to load mainly Partitions in that weight, hot, but now find that, at ~ 2800 fps at the muzzle, the inexpensive SPEER Grand Slam (current mono-core) makes a fine practice and hunting round both, to as far as usually need to shoot.

Got a pile during the last factory rebate, dirt cheap.

Small groups, and generally a pass-through w/ good exit wounds.

Also have some copper 140 gr. TSX, run a hundred or so fps. faster.

No complaints.




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In my younger years I shot everything with 150 grain Speer Hotcors and Hornady innerlocks, good results every time started at or near 2800 fps.

I still use Hornady interlocks. They are a damn good bullet and priced right. They allow you to practice all you want, with the bullet you intend to hunt with.. Win win..


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I've had a few boxes of old Speer 100gr. HP bullets for years. I'd like to see how they do on deer. I bet they'll be devastating.

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just passing it on, but you look at pressure specs for H4831SC... you can't get enough in a 270 case to exceed SAAMI specs, regardless of bullet weight... at least up to 160 grain NOSLER SMPs....

same with the old Speer 170 grain RNs.... accuracy is pretty darn good also...

and it ain't temp sensitive either.


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H4831sc for 130's and 140's in the .270. Best accuracy and temperature stable. It doesn't drive the 150's fast enough.

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Originally Posted by Seafire
just passing it on, but you look at pressure specs for H4831SC... you can't get enough in a 270 case to exceed SAAMI specs, regardless of bullet weight... at least up to 160 grain NOSLER SMPs....

same with the old Speer 170 grain RNs.... accuracy is pretty darn good also...

and it ain't temp sensitive either.

H4831 has worked so well for so long, why would anyone even want to stray from it??? That is my only question. Of course there are newer powders out there. Are there really any better powders for this classic cartridge? Also, to the poster that said it's not good enough to push 150's, I don't think any deer would ever even know that they were not being pushed at top velocities. I loaded some 150's for my 270's the other day and the results were pretty good with H4831. . However, if you want some impressive speed, you can use RL26. That powder pushes the 150 right along. But from what I've seen, you don't get quite as good of accuracy/precision either. It's a give and take, and I usually try to take all the accuracy I can get. JMHO..


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I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
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Originally Posted by bsa1917hunter
Originally Posted by Seafire
just passing it on, but you look at pressure specs for H4831SC... you can't get enough in a 270 case to exceed SAAMI specs, regardless of bullet weight... at least up to 160 grain NOSLER SMPs....

same with the old Speer 170 grain RNs.... accuracy is pretty darn good also...

and it ain't temp sensitive either.

H4831 has worked so well for so long, why would anyone even want to stray from it??? That is my only question. Of course there are newer powders out there. Are there really any better powders for this classic cartridge? Also, to the poster that said it's not good enough to push 150's, I don't think any deer would ever even know that they were not being pushed at top velocities. I loaded some 150's for my 270's the other day and the results were pretty good with H4831. . However, if you want some impressive speed, you can use RL26. That powder pushes the 150 right along. But from what I've seen, you don't get quite as good of accuracy/precision either. It's a give and take, and I usually try to take all the accuracy I can get. JMHO..
Deer don't know anything about physics such as velocity, energy etc. If you could sit a deer down to do an exam on anything related to ballistics, he would fail miserably. Saying a deer would not know that H4831sc can't push the 150's at a decent velocity is therefore no authority at all. I get about 2750 fps with a maximum load of H4831sc with the 150's. With the 140's I get just over 3000 fps with a maximum load of H4831sc. I'm far better off using 130's or 140's than 150's with H4831sc.

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Originally Posted by rickt300
Originally Posted by Garandimal
After lookin' past the ole IMR 4831/150 gr. .270Win workhorse load, decided to update to the Hodgdon 4831SC variety, mainly for the Temp. stability.

Also used to load mainly Partitions in that weight, hot, but now find that, at ~ 2800 fps at the muzzle, the inexpensive SPEER Grand Slam (current mono-core) makes a fine practice and hunting round both, to as far as usually need to shoot.

Got a pile during the last factory rebate, dirt cheap.

Small groups, and generally a pass-through w/ good exit wounds.

Also have some copper 140 gr. TSX, run a hundred or so fps. faster.

No complaints.




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In my younger years I shot everything with 150 grain Speer Hotcors and Hornady innerlocks, good results every time started at or near 2800 fps.

Used to use 150 gr. HC for practice, and Partitions in that weight for hunting.

The last rebate go-round, the 150 gr. Grand Slams were ~ $0.21/pop, and the HC ~ $0.15.


Haven't missed the Partition's performance yet (or their cost), and a single bullet guarantees the same point of aim.

Could probably live w/ the 150 gr. HC just as easily.




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I found with 130 gr. Hornady or Sierras work great with Rl17 or 6.5 StaBall and get higher velocity.

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I have always found good results from 100% load density or higher. The last 270 I worked up was for a buddy. He bought a new SS Syn Ruger mk II. I had a couple cans of H4831 sc and picked up a box of 130 NBT. I loaded one at 55 gr and shot it over the chronograph, then added one gr at a time until we hit 3100 fps at 61 gr. Four more rounds assured the rifle was grouping less than MOA. Good enough!

H4831 is the perfect burn rate for the 270 Win.

That was ten years ago. I loaded 100 more for him a couple years later with 130 gr NAB. Ten years later, the gun has never been shot with anything other than 130 Noslers over 61 gr H4831 sc.

For a reduced recoil load, pick any decent bullet from 90 gr to 150 gr. Then load it with the 60% load of H4895.

Speer #10 and #15 give some reduced loads with SR4759. But that powder is unobtainable today, unless you happen to be sitting on a stash.


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Originally Posted by Riflehunter
...Saying a deer would not know that H4831sc can't push the 150's at a decent velocity is therefore no authority at all. I get about 2750 fps with a maximum load of H4831sc with the 150's. With the 140's I get just over 3000 fps with a maximum load of H4831sc. I'm far better off using 130's or 140's than 150's with H4831sc.

2800 fps., for a good .277/150 gr. bullet, IS a decent velocity.

Even for the lowly SPEER Grand Slam, BC 0.378, that's 2,100 fps./1500 ft-lbs. at 300 yards.

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Originally Posted by Garandimal
Originally Posted by Riflehunter
...Saying a deer would not know that H4831sc can't push the 150's at a decent velocity is therefore no authority at all. I get about 2750 fps with a maximum load of H4831sc with the 150's. With the 140's I get just over 3000 fps with a maximum load of H4831sc. I'm far better off using 130's or 140's than 150's with H4831sc.

2800 fps., for a good .277/150 gr. bullet, IS a decent velocity.

Even for the lowly SPEER Grand Slam, BC 0.378, that's 2,100 fps./1500 ft-lbs. at 300 yards.

No complaints.




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Maybe he hunts "rifles", and not deer? I hunt both, and probably do better in both regards..


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Originally Posted by bsa1917hunter
Originally Posted by Garandimal
Originally Posted by Riflehunter
...Saying a deer would not know that H4831sc can't push the 150's at a decent velocity is therefore no authority at all. I get about 2750 fps with a maximum load of H4831sc with the 150's. With the 140's I get just over 3000 fps with a maximum load of H4831sc. I'm far better off using 130's or 140's than 150's with H4831sc.

2800 fps., for a good .277/150 gr. bullet, IS a decent velocity.

Even for the lowly SPEER Grand Slam, BC 0.378, that's 2,100 fps./1500 ft-lbs. at 300 yards.

No complaints.



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Maybe he hunts "rifles", and not deer? I hunt both, and probably do better in both regards..

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