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Dispatch Text: On May 21, 2023, at 5:52 pm, the Alaska State Troopers were notified that an adult male was stuck in the tidal mud flats near Hope. Troopers and rescue teams from the Hope Sunrise Fire Department and Girdwood Fire Department responded to the scene. Rescue efforts were unsuccessful, and 20-year-old Illinois resident Zachary Porter died at approximately 6:43 pm after being submerged by the incoming tide. Rescue teams recovered Porter’s body at approximately 6:00 am on May 22, 2023. Next of kin has been notified.


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So in 12 HOURS they couldn't get him out of a situation he got himself into? Something we are missing here.

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Originally Posted by mjbgalt
So in 12 HOURS they couldn't get him out of a situation he got himself into? Something we are missing here.
A tide cycle. Big tides. And current. That was a 27’ differential from low when he got stuck to the high shortly after midnight.

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I was just talking about this exact thing with my two children. Now that they’re getting older and going out on their own adventures we review the anticipated problems that might arise and how to respond. They were asking me about quicksand and Cook Inlet tide flats were front and center. I can’t imagine a more terrible way to go.

Prayers for the loved ones left behind.


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Originally Posted by AcesNeights
I was just talking about this exact thing with my two children. Now that they’re getting older and going out on their own adventures we review the anticipated problems that might arise and how to respond. They were asking me about quicksand and Cook Inlet tide flats were front and center. I can’t imagine a more terrible way to go.

Prayers for the loved ones left behind.

If you really want to drive the point home. Tell them there have been people stuck, they tried to hoist them up using a rescue helicopter, and it pulled them in half.


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Originally Posted by AcesNeights
I was just talking about this exact thing with my two children. Now that they’re getting older and going out on their own adventures we review the anticipated problems that might arise and how to respond. They were asking me about quicksand and Cook Inlet tide flats were front and center. I can’t imagine a more terrible way to go.

Prayers for the loved ones left behind.

If you really want to drive the point home. Tell them there have been people stuck, they tried to hoist them up using a rescue helicopter, and it pulled them in half.

That was the question I was going to ask...why not a helicopter. Yikes.

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“Many have heard the story of the duck hunter who was stuck in the mud on either Knik or Turnagain arm, in the 1960s or 1970s, depending on who tells it, and was pulled in half by a helicopter, leaving the lower half of his body in the mud. Some locals remember the incident vividly. There is no evidence it ever happened, but the story has become an Alaska legend.”

https://akfatal.net/Dickison.htm

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What a horrible way to die. A friend was stationed in AK as a young airman and barely got out in time. Lost his decoys but they weren't worth a life...


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Originally Posted by AcesNeights
I was just talking about this exact thing with my two children. Now that they’re getting older and going out on their own adventures we review the anticipated problems that might arise and how to respond. They were asking me about quicksand and Cook Inlet tide flats were front and center. I can’t imagine a more terrible way to go.

Prayers for the loved ones left behind.

Always a good thing to understand your surroundings and the perils that are ever present hey Aces?

Remember the Tsunami in P h u k e t (a swear word? lol) in 2012 where people were running out into the ocean when the water was sucked out?

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A distant buddy came close. A team effort digging up Geoduck which can involve extraction from up to a 3 ft deep hole in wet sand. Given some sinking and continuous cascade of water and sand, he was hip deep with the incoming tide approaching. He was extracted, but said it was an uncomfortable situation.


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Originally Posted by AKwolverine
“Many have heard the story of the duck hunter who was stuck in the mud on either Knik or Turnagain arm, in the 1960s or 1970s, depending on who tells it, and was pulled in half by a helicopter, leaving the lower half of his body in the mud. Some locals remember the incident vividly. There is no evidence it ever happened, but the story has become an Alaska legend.”

https://akfatal.net/Dickison.htm

I'll shed some light on this. In the 70's my partner and myself (Me a very minority share) Started and owned "EAT-ME SUB SHOPS" The manager of the downtown shop was taking a break and visiting us in the shop, it was slow time midafternoon. When in walked her husband, looking sickly. He told us the rescue mission you referred to. He was in the back of the helicopter when they pulled the upper half of him onboard.

Another event. Upper Cook Inlet, Guy was waterfowl hunting with some type of shotgun (He was stuck in the mud) he removed the barrel so as to breathe through it, he died.

There have been many in my 54 years here. Less than two weeks ago the GIRDWOOD Fire & Rescue saved a guy at Twenty Mile Creek.

By the way I live in the Hope/Sunrise community.

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Another was the young GI driving north with his wife from Ingram Creek on two 3-wheelers. They were gold prospecting. She got her wheeler stuck, got off, and sank in the thixotropic mud. He ran for help and flagged a passing car. He went back to her and attempted to extract her. Girdwood VFD got there but could not get her out. Left her with a hose to breathe through. She died of exposure.


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The microscopic plates lock together very convincingly when the water leaves the mud. Digging a hole nearby only speeds the process. A trash pump pumping water in does far more good than a hole.

It is strange stuff. It feels solid underfoot when walking across. Stop and stomp your feet and rock back and forth a bit and water moves into the agitated mud which softens it. That is when you sink.

Just like ketchup in the bottle which pours freely only after being agitated. (Thixotropism)


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Says authorities were notified at 5:52 pm. He died at 6:43pm. Looks like Rescue team had less than an hour. Retrieved his body at 6:00 am.

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Originally Posted by Sitka deer
The microscopic plates lock together very convincingly when the water leaves the mud. Digging a hole nearby only speeds the process. A trash pump pumping water in does far more good than a hole.

It is strange stuff. It feels solid underfoot when walking across. Stop and stomp your feet and rock back and forth a bit and water moves into the agitated mud which softens it. That is when you sink.

Just like ketchup in the bottle which pours freely only after being agitated. (Thixotropism)

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Good afternoon to you sir, I trust you and your fine family are well up in your section of Alaska.

Holy smoke that sounds absolutely frightening.

With the understanding that for most of my life I've maintained I'd rather be on a rough horse than a smooth boat, now I have yet another reason to distrust things on or near water.

I do love to fish and find being beside the ocean calming, but it has my respect and then some.

If you or anyone is ever in the area of the Skookumchuck Narrows on the BC coast, it's really something seeing the tide come in and out there. We watched a big twin outboard boat working hard to make progress against it.

Anyways thanks for the science lesson once more, I learned something today - even if it is unsettling.

All the best to you all.

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Originally Posted by scottf270
Says authorities were notified at 5:52 pm. He died at 6:43pm. Looks like Rescue team had less than an hour. Retrieved his body at 6:00 am.
Water temperature in the inlet is in the low 40s right now. Even if you can supply oxygen, it doesn’t take long at that temperature with moving water.

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Turnagain Arm has the second most extreme tidal change, after "The Bay of Fundy". I have seen the "BORE TIDE" (Tidal Change) many hundreds of times, but only "once" was it (10) TEN FEET TALL.

https://www.alaska.org/advice/alaska-bore-tide#What's%20So%20Special%20About%20The%20Turnagain%20Arm%20Bore%20Tide?


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Originally Posted by scottf270
Says authorities were notified at 5:52 pm. He died at 6:43pm. Looks like Rescue team had less than an hour. Retrieved his body at 6:00 am.

From GIRDWOOD Fire Dept. To Hope, Alaska is about 62 or 64 miles AND over Turnagain Pass, With weekend traffic, and four road construction sites.


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The Turnagain Arm is simply a don’t mess around zone. There are folks that surf the bore tides and kite surf the area and have a few key spots to safely enter and exit, but otherwise a place no one should mess around. 2nd highest tidal exchanges in the world and a total slurry of glacial silt throughout the tidal mud flats. In the almost 20 years I’ve lived here, never once seen a single boat out there, ever.


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On a lighter note, since no one died...

Some years ago there was some big whoop-de-doo in Hope. Music festival or some such. Lots of clueless people poured in. There is a nice green, grassy ocean-side beach next to the mouth of Resurrection Creek. Great tent sites, eh?? It was taken advantage of...

Most of the Hope residents were up on the bluff, watching the show when the Spring Tide rolled in..... smile

As to Will's post, I know of only one. Bill Miller was known to have kayaked from his home in Hope on good, calm high slack tides, over to Bird Point? to be picked up for appointments in Anchorage. A few times, anyway. I think he didn't do it much. He would do his business and catch another tide back when it was right. Or so I was told, but not by Bill.

I believe they also used boats between The two shores during the gold rush years, but I could be wrong about that.

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