My name is Matt and I am very excited to launch the official Athlon Optics thread on 24 Hour Campfire!
I am a competitive shooter (primarily 3GUN) and a member of the Athlon marketing team. I am also a big fan of good glass and all things that go BOOM.
I look forward to some great conversation and the opportunity to answer any questions you might have about our products or about optics in general.
So... Let's get this party started!
Are there any Athlon fans out there? If yes, I would love to hear about the Athlon products you are using, what you use them for, and what your experience has been.
Welcome. I have the Cronus, Ares BTR Gen2, and Helos 2-12x, all MIL versions, and they have all been fantastic. I appreciate the fact that you guys always answer the phone and I can talk to a human being. Keep up the good work.
It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
I have a Helos BTR Gen2 and have been pleased. I’ll pick up another next month for a new project.
Two asks: I’d love to see someone build a SFP durable big game scope that held zero like the old Leupold Vari-X-III scopes that were lightweight, very good optically…..but tracked reliably.
Second, I’d love to see Athlon build something to survive the tests done over on Rockslide. You’ve got the tracking down…I’d love see the durability addressed….and include usable hunting reticles with SFP option.
Picked up one of your 20-60x spotting scopes on sale from Cameraland last month. It's sure a big step up from the crappy old Simmons I've been using for too many years. If the sun cooperates & air isn't too hazy .22 holes are easily visible @200 yds. The price was right too.
Sacred cows make good burgers when you know what temperature to cook them at.-Rev. Billy
("and include usable hunting reticles with SFP option")
^^^This^^^
I would like to see a scope like this also. Illuminated BDC reticle that is not as bold/thick as the reticle on the Helos BTR Gen2 2-12x42
I never have, and never will buy scopes based on that drop test. Been hunting big game since 1971 and have never had my rifles go through that, and they've been used.....an awful lot. It's borderline ridiculous IMO.
It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
How about a relatively light weight scope in the 2x7x36 range. This would be strictly a hunting scope. Don't need turrets or Xmas tree reticles. SFP with a duplex reticle. Something to compete with the Leupold 2.5x8x36.
("and include usable hunting reticles with SFP option")
^^^This^^^
I would like to see a scope like this also. Illuminated BDC reticle that is not as bold/thick as the reticle on the Helos BTR Gen2 2-12x42
I never have, and never will buy scopes based on that drop test. Been hunting big game since 1971 and have never had my rifles go through that, and they've been used.....an awful lot. It's borderline ridiculous IMO.
I get that…. However, I’ve seen too many scopes that even a modest tumble will change point of impact. Most recently, had a heavy barrel .223 in a soft case leaning up against a table get knocked over by the dog. It landed on the windage turret side. It moved impact 3” at 100yds. Interestingly, the 6.5x20 had held zero perfectly for 25+ years. I’m certain its landing on the target turret side made things worse. Do I or most hunters need NF durability? No. Clearly something designed and built to prevent point of impact shifting from falling over in a padded case is needed….
Gutsy move for a company/brand to start an account here. I applaud it. Wear your body armor and FR clothing AT ALL TIMES.
I don’t own any Athlon products, yet anyway. I’ve read plenty of good reviews here on the fire to have confidence in the 2-12 Helos BTR Gen2. It seems to check many boxes for a compact rifle. I particularly appreciate the length. I just haven’t been able to get past the 25+ oz weight.
Don't speculate when you don't know, and don't second guess when you do.
I'm intrigued by your scopes. I don't own one because at 60, I need a thicker reticle than any of your offerings. I'm cool with a straight duplex but would prefer a duplex with subtensions thick enough to see at the edges of daylight.
Plus I have no need for any objective bigger than 42-44 mm.
I'm glad to see a scope.mfr here. As was stated, bring your flame suit.....
My name is Matt and I am very excited to launch the official Athlon Optics thread on 24 Hour Campfire!
I am a competitive shooter (primarily 3GUN) and a member of the Athlon marketing team. I am also a big fan of good glass and all things that go BOOM.
I look forward to some great conversation and the opportunity to answer any questions you might have about our products or about optics in general.
So... Let's get this party started!
Are there any Athlon fans out there? If yes, I would love to hear about the Athlon products you are using, what you use them for, and what your experience has been.
Matt, I'll start by saying that I appreciate any manufacturer's rep who has the balls to join a forum and interact with the members. Frankly, it's a no win proposition. People will troll you and antagonize you just for the sake of doing so. People will voice legitimate criticisms that are somewhat difficult to diplomatically address. You also have a number of fans here who speak highly of your products.
I won't ever own one. China is our goddam enemy and there are other countries that are not our enemy that are capable of producing quality optics at competitive prices. Best wishes pard!
How about a relatively light weight scope in the 2x7x36 range. This would be strictly a hunting scope. Don't need turrets or Xmas tree reticles. SFP with a duplex reticle. Something to compete with the Leupold 2.5x8x36.
Matt, I a have two of th Athlon Helos BTR GEN2 2-12x42 FFP scopes. Fantastic optic for the cost and recommend them to anyone that will listen.
If I could have one change it is to the reticle, I find the reticle center dot a tad large, subtends to .3 mil. I think half that size would be useable through out the magnification range and not cover up quite as much target at farther ranges.
I have 4 Helos BTR Gen 2 2-12's purchased based on reviews posted here. I seldom go above 10x due to the center dot size, but no complaints on paper or in the field
[quote=Athlon_Optics] Matt, I'll start by saying that I appreciate any manufacturer's rep who has the balls to join a forum and interact with the members. Frankly, it's a no win proposition. People will troll you and antagonize you just for the sake of doing so. People will voice legitimate criticisms that are somewhat difficult to diplomatically address. You also have a number of fans here who speak highly of your products.
I won't ever own one. China is our goddam enemy and there are other countries that are not our enemy that are capable of producing quality optics at competitive prices. Best wishes pard!
Paul, I generally agree with your above statement, but in all fairness, the Chronos models are made in Japan and are the best models they have.
Have a couple of MidasTac 6-24x50s, among other models. Those Midas Tacs are very nice scopes for the money. I like the floating dot reticle better than the floating cross hair in the Ares BTR Gen 2 4.5-27, although I wish the floating dot in the Midas Tac was just a hair bigger.
A Midas Tac 6-24 with a slightly larger, illuminated floating dot would be awesome.
Welcome. I have the Cronus, Ares BTR Gen2, and Helos 2-12x, all MIL versions, and they have all been fantastic. I appreciate the fact that you guys always answer the phone and I can talk to a human being. Keep up the good work.
JGRaider - Thanks for being the first to respond! Thanks for the positive feedback as well. Sounds like you have a pretty nice Athlon collection going on over there - I like it
Picked up one of your 20-60x spotting scopes on sale from Cameraland last month. It's sure a big step up from the crappy old Simmons I've been using for too many years. If the sun cooperates & air isn't too hazy .22 holes are easily visible @200 yds. The price was right too.
I have a Helos BTR Gen2 and have been pleased. I’ll pick up another next month for a new project.
Two asks: I’d love to see someone build a SFP durable big game scope that held zero like the old Leupold Vari-X-III scopes that were lightweight, very good optically…..but tracked reliably.
Second, I’d love to see Athlon build something to survive the tests done over on Rockslide. You’ve got the tracking down…I’d love see the durability addressed….and include usable hunting reticles with SFP option.
Thanks for the suggestion! We are constantly in the process of developing new products. Any ideas that are posted in this thread will be passed along to our design team.
[quote=Athlon_Optics] Matt, I'll start by saying that I appreciate any manufacturer's rep who has the balls to join a forum and interact with the members. Frankly, it's a no win proposition. People will troll you and antagonize you just for the sake of doing so. People will voice legitimate criticisms that are somewhat difficult to diplomatically address. You also have a number of fans here who speak highly of your products.
I won't ever own one. China is our goddam enemy and there are other countries that are not our enemy that are capable of producing quality optics at competitive prices. Best wishes pard!
Paul, I generally agree with your above statement, but in all fairness, the Chronos models are made in Japan and are the best models they have.
This is a subject that I expect will come up repeatedly - I'm only going to address it once though.
Most of our products are manufactured in China and our Cronus line is manufactured in Japan. All items are sent to our QC lab in Kansas City for inspection before they are shipped. We respect everyone who has played a role in helping our organization become what it has grown into. We also respect the freedom each person has to choose who they buy from.
I've heard great things about your scopes. Some of us like a set and forget it scope, that is a 1" tube and light as possible.
Lots of us southerners hunt from a treestand, and usually have time to crank up the power ring if needed. I'd like to see 2 light variables. One topping out at 7-8X, and maybe another around 10-12X, 40mm max.
Interesting thread. I'm looking for a new scope at the moment. Something for my AR. 2-7 one inch or 30mm tube doesn't matter. Standard duplex cross, better thin than heavy. Just a plain old school scope, with modern build technology. I haven't looked at Athlon yet, because of the country of orign. I will check out the website. Since your new, I welcome you. Now in campfire tradition GFY.
I’ve got three in the house and expect to add more soon, the Neos line is without a doubt the best value in optics right now.
I’m with the others who have mentioned a light, tough set it and forget it scope. Build a bullet proof fixed or variable under 15 ounces and I’ll buy a half dozen. Neos 3-9x40 is close. Give me a 6x36 or 2-8x36 and I’d be happy.
I have two spotting scopes Cronus 12-36x50 UHD and Ares G2 20-60x85 both are very clear and simple to use.
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I have only had one problem with an Athlon.. Parallax issue ... Sent it in and after a couple days I got a email to call them...I thought "here we go"..
I was shocked when they said there were upgrading me and just wanted to know if I wanted MIL or MOA..
Have a 4 Ahtlons now..Two scopes a spotter and 15x binos... Excellent support and customer service..
I have 4 or 5 of the Helos 2x12 mostly on AR,s and 223 bolt guns and like them for general use, for range precise load work up prefer other scopes.
What he said for the one I have, with the addition of dead nuts reliable and accurate with great illumination and reticle. A bit heavy but everything's a trade-off.
Also have a pair of Ares 10X42 I got from Doug on closeout. Very happy with them for the money and would have been at regular price.
I’ve got three in the house and expect to add more soon, the Neos line is without a doubt the best value in optics right now.
I’m with the others who have mentioned a light, tough set it and forget it scope. Build a bullet proof fixed or variable under 15 ounces and I’ll buy a half dozen. Neos 3-9x40 is close. Give me a 6x36 or 2-8x36 and I’d be happy.
Yes! I think there's still a market for scopes like that. Simple, light, rugged, reliable, with great glass.
I’ve got three in the house and expect to add more soon, the Neos line is without a doubt the best value in optics right now.
I’m with the others who have mentioned a light, tough set it and forget it scope. Build a bullet proof fixed or variable under 15 ounces and I’ll buy a half dozen. Neos 3-9x40 is close. Give me a 6x36 or 2-8x36 and I’d be happy.
Yes! I think there's still a market for scopes like that. Simple, light, rugged, reliable, with great glass.
Guy
2-7/3-9X36/40 can be found but are getting thinner on the ground. Fixed X are non-existent.
How about a 6X with a mil tree like the BTR 2? No dialing necessary just zero and know holds.
Bore size is no substitute for shot placement and Power is no substitute for bullet performance. 458WIN
Kind of wish I'd seen that before picking up my second Helos BTR 2-12. I've had one on a 6.5 Sig Cross that survived a couple hundred rounds then riding and hiking around on my elk hunt last year ok, only complaint is that big ass center dot when trying to do any load development (slightly smaller dot or cross would be better).
I picked up another one for my Tikka 300 WSM and it croaked about 50 rounds in, held zero, but the parallax would change with every shot, so when my sight settled back down after recoil everything was blurry. I asked Athalon for an RMA since it was basically brand new. They asked a couple questions about ring torque, etc and asked for a picture, then said they wouldn't RMA it since the front ring looked like it was close to (but not touching) the turret..... Pretty lame excuse, but I wound up sending it in on my dime to get it replaced, I'd guess they don't actually work on them here in the states.
We'll see what they do from here, but not overly impressed at this point, kind of a get what you pay for situation I guess.
Here's the ring spacing that apparently murders Athlons, it's about the best you can do with Sportsmatches on a Tikka though, which is a pretty standard rig.
Originally Posted by OGB
How about a 6X with a mil tree like the BTR 2? No dialing necessary just zero and know holds.
I too don't understand why there aren't any options like this, I'd be pretty happy with a lightweight scope sporting a decent mil tree for hunting. As long as it can hold zero, once set, I'm good with holding on the tree for shots like I do with my range rifles.
My name is Matt and I am very excited to launch the official Athlon Optics thread on 24 Hour Campfire!
I am a competitive shooter (primarily 3GUN) and a member of the Athlon marketing team. I am also a big fan of good glass and all things that go BOOM.
I look forward to some great conversation and the opportunity to answer any questions you might have about our products or about optics in general.
So... Let's get this party started!
Are there any Athlon fans out there? If yes, I would love to hear about the Athlon products you are using, what you use them for, and what your experience has been.
My name is Matt and I am very excited to launch the official Athlon Optics thread on 24 Hour Campfire!
I am a competitive shooter (primarily 3GUN) and a member of the Athlon marketing team. I am also a big fan of good glass and all things that go BOOM.
I look forward to some great conversation and the opportunity to answer any questions you might have about our products or about optics in general.
So... Let's get this party started!
Are there any Athlon fans out there? If yes, I would love to hear about the Athlon products you are using, what you use them for, and what your experience has been.
My name is Matt and I am very excited to launch the official Athlon Optics thread on 24 Hour Campfire!
I am a competitive shooter (primarily 3GUN) and a member of the Athlon marketing team. I am also a big fan of good glass and all things that go BOOM.
I look forward to some great conversation and the opportunity to answer any questions you might have about our products or about optics in general.
So... Let's get this party started!
Are there any Athlon fans out there? If yes, I would love to hear about the Athlon products you are using, what you use them for, and what your experience has been.
I've heard great things about your scopes. Some of us like a set and forget it scope, that is a 1" tube and light as possible.
Lots of us southerners hunt from a treestand, and usually have time to crank up the power ring if needed. I'd like to see 2 light variables. One topping out at 7-8X, and maybe another around 10-12X, 40mm max.
Close JD. How about a 2-7 with a 30mm tube, illuminated ?? Set it and forget it compact hunting scope ? Under 10 inches is a plus.
kwg
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My name is Matt and I am very excited to launch the official Athlon Optics thread on 24 Hour Campfire!
I am a competitive shooter (primarily 3GUN) and a member of the Athlon marketing team. I am also a big fan of good glass and all things that go BOOM.
I look forward to some great conversation and the opportunity to answer any questions you might have about our products or about optics in general.
So... Let's get this party started!
Are there any Athlon fans out there? If yes, I would love to hear about the Athlon products you are using, what you use them for, and what your experience has been.
I barely have (16) 2-12's and have yet to experience a RTZ,tracking or zero retention issue,but I actually fhuqking shoot. Nothing bigger than 375H&H,if only in "fairness". Hint.
As to SWFA,I've close to (100) and have yet to experience a RTZ,tracking or zero retention issue,but I actually fhuqking shoot. Hint.
The Padded Case "Chronicles" are funnier than fhuqk. Try prying your kchunts from the couch and actually mashing a trigger. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!........................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
I have 4 Helos BTR Gen 2 2-12's purchased based on reviews posted here. I seldom go above 10x due to the center dot size, but no complaints on paper or in the field
Same here, 2 x 2-12 Helos and 2 of the 4-20 version. They are a pile of goodness for the money. Also, it doesn't hurt Athlon is very kind to us mil/vet guys as well.
The BTR Gen2 2-12x42 I have been using seems to forget to fail, or break, or get wonky. With all that forgetting it seems to remember where zero is just fine!
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Because of some positive reviews here, I bought one last November on a black Friday sale from Cameraland.
I shot it and really liked it. Love the reticle because unlike a lot of current reticles, it’s actually visible in hunting situations. Some have commented that the .3 mil center dot is too large for working up loads. I have been putting up a 2 inch orange dot and have been able to shoot great groups without a problem.
After reading that the scope failed the drop tests on the other forum, I decided to test my scope myself. I dropped it onto snow that was pretty hard-packed onto my 1 inch shooting pad nine times total from 36 inches and then checked the zero and tracking. Then I. repeated it nine more times with my shooting pad on the cement. Nothing broke and the scope held zero.
I wrote about it in this thread from last December. I think my post ends with 892.
are Athlon scopes life time warranty and is there a USA place to send these scopes for warranty ? how long has this company been in business ? just wondering because i might need a couple.
I'll greedily take FULL disclosure and candor,over say Reupold Smoke & Mirrors. Hint.
Now as to shooting modest agg's with the 2-12x Mil/Mil,it's a literal breeze. Rather than shoot "through" centerpoint subtension,I tend to use a 6 O'clock hold. Hint.
The reticle is rather easy to hold HARD,even to 1300yds++. Hint.
Try prying your kchunts from the couch and actually mashing a trigger. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!........................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
I wonder how much more it would cost to make the same scope in Korea or the Philippines. Looking at some of the good optics coming from those companies building there, it wouldn't cost much more if any at all. Now, how many sales do they not make to patriots who hate communist China, our greatest economic geopolitical foe?
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I have the 2-12x42. Like it. Pretty much every loopie I've ever owned crapped out between 800 and ,1000 rounds. I'm not there yet on the 2-12. So far so good. Time will tell. Reticle is a big game killer. Thinning it out would be mistake. Never had a issue load developing with a fat reticle. Just fit it to your target . pretty simple. Think the only thing I'd like changed on it is a capped windage knob. Dave
You'd require a co-signer for the tape alone...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
Do not "forget" to obliviously quantify,that Imitation is THE most Sincere form of Flattery,as you "live" vicariously,reading my EVERY word and gawking every Splendid Pixel. Hint.
Try prying your kchunts from the couch and actually mashing a trigger. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!........................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Welcome to the forum. I Respect that and welcome the open conversation. I had one of your range finders from camera land ny. Think it was the Midas 1 mile? It would not range a torso silhouette at 850+/-. With plenty of reflective objects around it. I’ll post a pic. I called and spoke to somebody (maybe you?) and got asked if I was using a tripod. I wasn’t but you guys still had me send it and replaced with a new one. Tried out the new one and same. So I sold it and told him about the tripod if he shoots that far. But, my other range finders don’t need a tripod even at their max range.
Regarding your scope, I saw couple guys ask about low power hunting scope. This is a big thing that you and other scope manufacturers are missing out on. I get that you’re making what sells… ELR scopes for all the new long range wannabe or LPVO for tacticool D bags. There are still guys out there that want nice quality scopes not made in China for their brush guns or straight wall cartridge rifles. Lightweight, 1-6, 2-8, fixed 6x with out all the tactical BS. 32 or 40 mm I’m ok with BDC but don’t need the full blown Christmas tree . Thanks, Andre
All of them do something better than the 30-06, but none of them do everything as well.
You are a CLUELESS Whining Fhuqktard...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
Pass 10yd parallax 35 Mil's on the erector,locking turrets(both),mechanical zero stop,FFP,a lineal mil scale intuitive reticle and killer illumination,while you Google for a FIRST Fhuqking Clue. Hint.
When you "shoot" your mouth and Imagination,is it as loud as PaulaBurnedHard's? Hint.
Try prying your kchunts from the couch and actually mashing a trigger. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!........................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Regarding your scope, I saw couple guys ask about low power hunting scope. This is a big thing that you and other scope manufacturers are missing out on. I get that you’re making what sells… ELR scopes for all the new long range wannabe or LPVO for tacticool D bags. There are still guys out there that want nice quality scopes not made in China for their brush guns or straight wall cartridge rifles. Lightweight, 1-6, 2-8, fixed 6x with out all the tactical BS. 32 or 40 mm I’m ok with BDC but don’t need the full blown Christmas tree . Thanks, Andre
It's called- look elsewhere. Vortex missed the mark as well with the LHT. Instead they make products to go along with the current fads. Think Bud Light. Lol.
Not sure why then”Christmas tree” reticle is a negative? Or why if you want 2-8 vs 2-12 you don’t just stop at 8?
I get the made in China hate, but it’s misplaced.
Being China’s #1 trading partner has probably deterred a war over Taiwan.
Originally Posted by Dre
Welcome to the forum. I Respect that and welcome the open conversation. I had one of your range finders from camera land ny. Think it was the Midas 1 mile? It would not range a torso silhouette at 850+/-. With plenty of reflective objects around it. I’ll post a pic. I called and spoke to somebody (maybe you?) and got asked if I was using a tripod. I wasn’t but you guys still had me send it and replaced with a new one. Tried out the new one and same. So I sold it and told him about the tripod if he shoots that far. But, my other range finders don’t need a tripod even at their max range.
Regarding your scope, I saw couple guys ask about low power hunting scope. This is a big thing that you and other scope manufacturers are missing out on. I get that you’re making what sells… ELR scopes for all the new long range wannabe or LPVO for tacticool D bags. There are still guys out there that want nice quality scopes not made in China for their brush guns or straight wall cartridge rifles. Lightweight, 1-6, 2-8, fixed 6x with out all the tactical BS. 32 or 40 mm I’m ok with BDC but don’t need the full blown Christmas tree . Thanks, Andre
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Ken and David. I have looked else where. But there isn’t much selection in regards to quality yet affordable scopes in the lower power range. Look at the price old vx1 2-7, Same price or more than when they were new. Why stop at 8 power? Do I really need 2-12 with LR reticle on my 44 mag carbine? Wouldn’t the 1-6 Or 2-8 be more than enough scope ? Or Does it really need all the AR tactical reticle? Wide field of view is much more important to me when hunting the thick stuff vs max zoom. Make it 1.5-8 for all that I care.
All of them do something better than the 30-06, but none of them do everything as well.
Pardon wares that exist,as you gals Drool aloud...you "lucky" kchunts. Hint. Congratulations?!?
Fortunately for you ladies,Imagination,Pretend and Homoerotic Fantasies are free,so even you can "afford" to "contribute". Hint.
Try prying your kchunts from the couch and actually mashing a trigger. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!........................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
You are a CLUELESS Whining Fhuqktard...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
Pass 10yd parallax 35 Mil's on the erector,locking turrets(both),mechanical zero stop,FFP,a lineal mil scale intuitive reticle and killer illumination,while you Google for a FIRST Fhuqking Clue. Hint.
When you "shoot" your mouth and Imagination,is it as loud as PaulaBurnedHard's? Hint.
Try prying your kchunts from the couch and actually mashing a trigger. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!........................
I’m going to apologize ahead of time, Because I hate to ruin a good thread and hate to be an A hole. But Tiny can’t help him self and needs to shut his pie hole. Btw Stick how is your wife and kids Doing?
Let me show you something worth real value….Not your Athlon scope and electrical tape.. https://imgur.com/a/HzRAsAT
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All of them do something better than the 30-06, but none of them do everything as well.
Your AMAZINGLY long list,of very WELL founded Brokedick Insecurities,is funnier than fhuqk...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
I'm VERY "surprised",that you can almost post a picture,by yourself. Almost! Hint.
Hercules was 2 months old,on his first Buck. Illuminatti there,Wayne's world bottom and stock,with a 120 MB Smooch. Google as you MUST. Hint.
BabyMan was a "whopping" 5 months old here and the splendors exceed your "life's" efforts. 6x MQ and some tape,for a 162 'Max. Google as you MUST. Hint.
Try prying your kchunts from the couch and actually mashing a trigger. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!........................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Let me give you a hint..I’m still married and have my kids around Also Where is the photoshop pic of your bear on your shoulders and you hovering over rocks? Now stfu and move along
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All of them do something better than the 30-06, but none of them do everything as well.
I VERY much enjoy that your Woke Crying Karen Routine,is no fhuqking "Act"...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
What were the "odds" of you feverishly reading my EVERY fhuqking word and gawking EVERY Splendid Pixel,if only to "live" vicariously and escape being you,for fleeting moments? Perhaps extoll upon what you "do" for a "living",which mandates the High Pitched Whining Brokedicktitude an AMAZINGLY long list of Insecurities? Hint
Baby Man was 5 months old on his first Steelhead,which trumps your "life's" efforts. Hint.
At least you "get" to read about it and ogle The Splendid Pixels,as you TRY to "convince" yourself,that you "could too". Hint.
How come you are schlepping a Goat Fhuqk 10/22 with an Oil Filter "can" and Baby Man drives a Vudoo,with a HD MQ 1-6x Lit Bitch? Google as you MUST and Whine as you do. Hint.
Try prying your kchunt from the couch and actually mashing a trigger. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!........................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
How about a relatively light weight scope in the 2x7x36 range. This would be strictly a hunting scope. Don't need turrets or Xmas tree reticles. SFP with a duplex reticle. Something to compete with the Leupold 2.5x8x36.
“Mashing the trigger”. You get stupider by the day. Love window licking, wedlock chronicles!!!!!😂🖕🏿
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Sure is, as to be expected when the resident no killin liar Larry flaps his ignorant yap.
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Pardon my shooting more of said wares,than everyone else combined as you Crying Karens "get" to Pretend aloud...you "lucky" kchunts. Hint. Congratulations?!?
That High Pitched Brokedick Whining,sure is fhuqking soothing ladies. Fortunately for you gals,Imagination and Pretend are free,so even Crying Karens can "afford" to "contribute". Hint.
I'll feign my great "SURPRISE",that you gals must "live" vicariously. Try prying your kchunts from the couch and actually mashing a trigger. Hint.
Pardon a simplistic critique by me,massively swingin' Sales. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!........................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
L.O.L. Not sure if Xi Jinping and the Chinese CCP Athlon Management, L.O.L. is going to approve of his new USA Athlon marketing team and USA company (Alaskan) field representative and company spokesman. Do you think Xi Jinping and Athlon , China has ever seen one of his companies have such a bizarre and dysfunctional introduction and product roll out ? L.O.L. Do you think Xi Jinping or Athlon China can comprehend or has ever seen anything like his Athlon ~ Alaska marketing/field representative? L.O.L. Not sure if there is a future for Athlon’ s Alaska Marketing Field Director with any other outdoor industry companies as a company spokesman or field representative??…..Budlight, Target, Disney, showed us what they can do with their Creative Marketing … I would recommend that Athlon’s Alaska company spokesman and field representative to not quit his day job and let this play out further. ~ Matt of Athlon, are you reading and following this?~ Does BUDLIGHT….mean anything to you ……? L.O.L.
It is fascinatingly HILARIOUS,that the gals who shoot the least,Whine the most,while extolling their Homoerotic Fantasies...you "lucky" kchunts. Hint. Congratulations?!?
You gals are Moths headed for The Flame. I'll feign my great "SURPRISE",that you gals must "live" vicariously. Try prying your kchunts from the couch and actually mashing a trigger. Hint.
Fortunately for you gals,Imagination,Pretend and Emoji's are free,so even YOU can "afford" to "contribute". Do not "forget",that Imitation is THE most Sincere form of Flattery,as you race to my every Post. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!........................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
“Mashing the trigger”. You get stupider by the day. Love window licking, wedlock chronicles!!!!!😂🖕🏿
Hence the impeccable factory paint coating on the 500 yard gong.
If it looks like a chainsaw trigger, mash it like one
All the mashing goes to mashing keys on the old clickety clack to get the last word in and to feverously copy and paste out of the endless files of those he can never get out of his head. Lol.
Throw in some 20 year old pictures to make a real "monster mash" 😅🤣😂
What were the "odds" that besides your being a Drooling CLUELESS Fhuqk,that you also just "happen" to be a Lying Piece Of Fhuqking Schit...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
A little steel and Pun be intended. Google as you MUST. Hint.
Pardon wares that exist and fresh paint,being a Karen's Kryptonite. Google as you MUST. Keep extolling your very WELL founded Insecurities and I'll simply fuel 'em with wares that exist. Hint.
Fortunately for you,Imagination,Pretend and Emoji's are free,so even YOU can "afford" to "contribute". Try prying your kchunt from the couch and actually mashing a trigger. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!.....................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Fhuuuck. Is this imaginary pretend couch thing and smashing the trigger the new laughing hint? Lmfao. what a Pathetic lonely fat [bleep]. What can I say Athlon, you have a really good rep on your hands! Good luck
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All of them do something better than the 30-06, but none of them do everything as well.
I say Athlon should make a fixed 6x with gloss finish and rainbow-tape turrets, call it the “Bigs Dick” edition presented by 24hrCF and let the consumers figure it out.
History repeats itself because it worked. If it didn’t work in the first place, it wouldn’t be history but another lost story of insignificance.
L.O.L. Not sure if Xi Jinping and the Chinese CCP Athlon Management, L.O.L. is going to approve of his new USA Athlon marketing team and USA company (Alaskan) field representative and company spokesman. Do you think Xi Jinping and Athlon , China has ever seen one of his companies have such a bizarre and dysfunctional introduction and product roll out ? L.O.L. Do you think Xi Jinping or Athlon China can comprehend or has ever seen anything like his Athlon ~ Alaska marketing/field representative? L.O.L. Not sure if there is a future for Athlon’ s Alaska Marketing Field Director with any other outdoor industry companies as a company spokesman or field representative??…..Budlight, Target, Disney, showed us what they can do with their Creative Marketing … I would recommend that Athlon’s Alaska company spokesman and field representative to not quit his day job and let this play out further. ~ Matt of Athlon, are you reading and following this?~ Does BUDLIGHT….mean anything to you ……? L.O.L.
China is a ruthless economic competitor. Kinda like we used to be.
Trump had it right - he wasn't mad at them, they drove better bargains. We should have done the same, but did not.
You cannot blame them for their success.
That being said, I try to avoid their products as I can. Because they mean to eat our lunch.
I didn't say anything about approving or not their methods of mfg. You can say the same thing about many of our trading partners. Mfgrs offshore because of cheap labor. If you have a problem with how they treat workers, boycott everything made off shore. Lithium and cobalt for batteries is mined by child labor in Africa. Have any lithium batteries ?
Also, you can save the virtue signaling for someone who actually GAF.
Credit where due, Athlon got my Helos back on Thursday the 18th, shipped the replacement out Tuesday the 23rd, and I got it on Friday the 26th. That's pretty fast.
I think my gunsmith may have botched my Tikka bolt a bit, so the new Helos probably won't see any rounds till that gets all worked out. Maybe I'll put it on my lighter 6 ARC or Ruger SFAR to get a little workout while I'm waiting.
Somehow it seems this thread didn't get the results the OP wanted
They knew what was coming. They are plenty sharp and building a solid business. There were plenty of positives and any advertising is good advertising. Some are just looking for an opportunity to show their asses.
Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
I personally own one Athlon scope that I bought on closeout. Nice scope for what I paid for it but it’s about or maybe is the only Chinese made scope that I own. I go well out of my way to avoid them.
Fugg China for Covid as a bioweapon and all of there other predatory practices and human rights violations.
Labels like an “American Company…” but made in China is a bigger slap in the face than just leaving the “American Company” line out all together IMO. Translation a few owners or shareholders make bank while nearly everything else is outsourced to near slave labor.
Honest question, is there no viable options for manufacturing in other traditionally “cheap” countries? There’s lots of options that are countries not actively seeking world domination and actively working against our form of government and way of life. China is flooding our country with fentanyl just for starters. I do my best to not knowingly purchase anything made there if there’s any viable alternative.
I’d love to know what the profit margin is for a scope selling for $500-$1,000 that’s made in China is. Id guess 200% min.
I own one Athlon spotter and it is was made in Japan. Value exceeds its price point. It is highly usable. I like it for what I use it for and will use it until I can't hunt anymore.
I don't dial. I don't throw my rifle down on purpose. I don't need anything tactical.
I take good care of my gear. I do "mash" often, I do handload often, and I like trying different combinations of powder and bullets to wring out more performance. I am old and have zero need to impress anyone but myself.
Euro rifle scopes made for hunting with a damn good and simple reticle design are what I like and want.
If someone wants to buy CCP products, they are within their legal right to do so just like people are within their legal right to buy Bud Light.
Is there a 100% USA made rifle scope made? I mean with all the scope components, paperwork, and boxing made in the USA?
Jeezus Fhuqk,what WON'T a Crying Karen whine about?!? Hint.
Reupold is out of any serious discussion. Hint.
You gals collectively,don't shoot enough to fill a TicTac dispenser with empty brass. Nor do you "procure" enough,to make a fizzling fhuqk. Fortunately,Imagination,Pretend and Emoji's are free,so you gals can "afford" to "contribute". Hint.
Pardon my critique swaying the market,as you Hissy your Fit(s) and laude Brokedicktitude. Try prying your kchunts from the couch and actually mashing a trigger. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!.....................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Pardon my shooting more of said wares,than everyone else combined as you Crying Karens "get" to Pretend aloud...you "lucky" kchunts. Hint. Congratulations?!?
That High Pitched Brokedick Whining,sure is fhuqking soothing ladies. Fortunately for you gals,Imagination and Pretend are free,so even Crying Karens can "afford" to "contribute". Hint.
I'll feign my great "SURPRISE",that you gals must "live" vicariously. Try prying your kchunts from the couch and actually mashing a trigger. Hint.
Pardon a simplistic critique by me,massively swingin' Sales. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!........................
Stick,
How’s that Talos spotter working out for you?
Thanks in advance.
Life Member NRA, RMEF, American Legion, MAGA. Not necessarily in that order.
A SFP wearing a schit reticle,pisses up a LOT(every) of ropes. Hint.
The Spotter was bought as a lark for giggles,but is fhuqking surprisingly viable. Procured it to leave in my crummy at work,to gawk Brownies,Polar Bears and MuskOx...but keep forgetting to throw it in my travel bag. I leave a 'Frotto tripod/ballhead at work,to compliment a 1D4 and White Glass. Also keep a LRF and a coupla scopes,which only adds to why Fixed Fhuqkers are so hard to score as of late. Hint.
I'm thinking there will be new glass and at least one new rifle,awaiting my return. Karens LOVE Mail. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!.................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Honest question, is there no viable options for manufacturing in other traditionally “cheap” countries? There’s lots of options that are countries not actively seeking world domination and actively working against our form of government and way of life. China is flooding our country with fentanyl just for starters. I do my best to not knowingly purchase anything made there if there’s any viable alternative.
I’d love to know what the profit margin is for a scope selling for $500-$1,000 that’s made in China is. Id guess 200% min.
Each to his own.
By all accounts, Korea and the Philippines are cranking out good quality, cost competitive scopes. I'd be very interested in knowing how much more it would cost Athlon to have one of their China made scopes produced in one of those countries instead.
Cash, just curious, what do you think you can kill with Kahles glass that you can't kill with Meopta, VX6, or any of the new "glass" found in $400+ rifle scopes today?
It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
Cash, just curious, what do you think you can kill with Kahles glass that you can't kill with Meopta, VX6, or any of the new "glass" found in $400+ rifle scopes today?
AFTER DARK...
Kahles is damn near night vision.
Seriously... find someone with one (lower power variable) and look thru it 1-2-3 hours after dark. It will blow your mind.
THAT is what I am hoping Athlon can master in a clone...
Also the eyebox... the Helos 2-12 (I have one)... eyebox is not good.
I asked Stick about the eyebox before I bought mine from Doug.
He did not answer... just his typical gibberish about fugging hinting and strawberry picking...
Stick has a fugg ton of useful knowledge, but his 6th grade antics always gets in the way of being useful... ALWAYS
If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
are Athlon scopes life time warranty and is there a USA place to send these scopes for warranty ? how long has this company been in business ? just wondering because i might need a couple.
All Athlon scopes have a transferable lifetime warranty and are repaired or replaced at our headquarters in Kansas City.
I have it on good authority that Stick took up bicycling. Won't be long before he's telling me that my wares don't get used and that I spend too much time on the couch.
Your Delusional Dumbfhuqktitude is funnier than fhuqk...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
No fhuqking "wonder" you are FORCED to use my words and punctuation,because even someone as fhuqking STUPID as you,knows better than to try herself. Imitation remains THE most Sincere form of Flattery. Hint.
In "fairness" I have closer to (20) of said 2-12's and have yet to encounter an "issue",that plagues your crossed-eyes and pointy head. Try prying your kchunt from the couch and actually mashing a trigger. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!.....................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Your Delusional Dumbfhuqktitude is funnier than fhuqk...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
No fhuqking "wonder" you are FORCED to use my words and punctuation,because even someone as fhuqking STUPID as you,knows better than to try herself. Imitation remains THE most Sincere form of Flattery. Hint.
In "fairness" I have closer to (20) of said 2-12's and have yet to encounter an "issue",that plagues your crossed-eyes and pointy head. Try prying your kchunt from the couch and actually mashing a trigger. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!.....................
You don't use glitter electrical tape on quality glass? WTF
If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
I didn't say anything about approving or not their methods of mfg. You can say the same thing about many of our trading partners. Mfgrs offshore because of cheap labor. If you have a problem with how they treat workers, boycott everything made off shore. Lithium and cobalt for batteries is mined by child labor in Africa. Have any lithium batteries ?
Also, you can save the virtue signaling for someone who actually GAF.
Awww your pussy hurts and you are good with the US trading with countries that use slavery to create products for our market. Good that you are lacking in the qualities that GAF counts.
Athlon_Optics, You may have missed my previous post amongst the noise. Would appreciate your comments on the 2-12's performance in the thread linked above.
Athlon_Optics, You may have missed my previous post amongst the noise. Would appreciated your comments on the 2-12's performance in the thread linked above.
the drop tests if yo can call it that , is not a real test or measure in my mind. too many variables , prone to inconsistent and no real control in the "testing" to be valid and meaningful. Besides , if I drop or bump my rifle I am going to ensure my zero is fine before shooting at an animal.
Athlon_Optics, You may have missed my previous post amongst the noise. Would appreciate your comments on the 2-12's performance in the thread linked above.
Mounting systems and ring spacing matters a "smidge" too. I tend to flog on schit(understatement). Hint.
Try prying your kchunt from the couch and actually mashing a trigger. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!.....................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Athlon_Optics, You may have missed my previous post amongst the noise. Would appreciated your comments on the 2-12's performance in the thread linked above.
the drop tests if yo can call it that , is not a real test or measure in my mind. too many variables , prone to inconsistent and no real control in the "testing" to be valid and meaningful. Besides , if I drop or bump my rifle I am going to ensure my zero is fine before shooting at an animal.
One time I was driving down the highway and I decided to take a picture of the sunset by holding my phone up through the sunroof (bad idea). It blew away and I could see it bouncing down the highway in my rearview mirror. I was able to recover it and it was completely fine! Shortly after, I knocked my phone off the bottom shelf of a nightstand (about 15 inches) and the screen shattered. Drop tests, as mentioned above, can be misleading due to consistency and control issues. All it takes is contact at just the right angle to mess things up. That's my opinion, anyway. Fortunately, Athlon offers a transferable lifetime warranty. If something goes wrong, we will repair or replace it.
Athlon_Optics, You may have missed my previous post amongst the noise. Would appreciated your comments on the 2-12's performance in the thread linked above.
the drop tests if yo can call it that , is not a real test or measure in my mind. too many variables , prone to inconsistent and no real control in the "testing" to be valid and meaningful. Besides , if I drop or bump my rifle I am going to ensure my zero is fine before shooting at an animal.
Absolutely. Buying scopes based on that experiment is laughable.
It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
I'm more than happy to be,whatever your copious Insecurities NEED most...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
You're perpetually ALWAYS licking windows on the outside,DREAMING about getting in. Try prying your kchunt from the couch and actually mashing a trigger. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!.....................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Cash, just curious, what do you think you can kill with Kahles glass that you can't kill with Meopta, VX6, or any of the new "glass" found in $400+ rifle scopes today?
AFTER DARK...
Kahles is damn near night vision.
Seriously... find someone with one (lower power variable) and look thru it 1-2-3 hours after dark. It will blow your mind.
Sounds sick.
Be nice to bounce the gen 3 31 unfilmed white phos tubes.
I'm more than happy to be,whatever your copious Insecurities NEED most...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
You're perpetually ALWAYS licking windows on the outside,DREAMING about getting in. Try prying your kchunt from the couch and actually mashing a trigger. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!.....................
Come on Stick... I am just fugging with you...
Ya don't have to go all window licker and chit.
If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
Honest question, is there no viable options for manufacturing in other traditionally “cheap” countries? There’s lots of options that are countries not actively seeking world domination and actively working against our form of government and way of life. China is flooding our country with fentanyl just for starters. I do my best to not knowingly purchase anything made there if there’s any viable alternative.
I’d love to know what the profit margin is for a scope selling for $500-$1,000 that’s made in China is. Id guess 200% min.
Each to his own.
By all accounts, Korea and the Philippines are cranking out good quality, cost competitive scopes. I'd be very interested in knowing how much more it would cost Athlon to have one of their China made scopes produced in one of those countries instead.
Mine was an honest question, just wondering how the industry works. Is the “brand” sending out drawings/specifications to bid? Is there some reason Chinese factories are better suited to build optics than say Korea, Philippines, etc.. I’d guess they’re probably more advanced? I know a guy that sources out cabinetry and they moved the bulk of their business from China to Vietnam a few years ago due to the Chinese factory constantly raising prices last minute, holding orders hostage, actually coming to the states and trying to go direct to their customers and bypass this guys distribution network etc…. He did say it took some time to get the Vietnamese plants up to speed and that the infrastructure, equipment, skill of the workers etc. was nowhere near as modern as the Chinese factories. It’s a global economy, and no way it will ever go back now. It would be interesting to see what it would cost to build the same exact scope using the same materials to the same specifications in China vs Japan Vs USA Vs Germany.
Honest question, is there no viable options for manufacturing in other traditionally “cheap” countries? There’s lots of options that are countries not actively seeking world domination and actively working against our form of government and way of life. China is flooding our country with fentanyl just for starters. I do my best to not knowingly purchase anything made there if there’s any viable alternative.
I’d love to know what the profit margin is for a scope selling for $500-$1,000 that’s made in China is. Id guess 200% min.
Each to his own.
By all accounts, Korea and the Philippines are cranking out good quality, cost competitive scopes. I'd be very interested in knowing how much more it would cost Athlon to have one of their China made scopes produced in one of those countries instead.
Mine was an honest question, just wondering how the industry works. Is the “brand” sending out drawings/specifications to bid? Is there some reason Chinese factories are better suited to build optics than say Korea, Philippines, etc.. I’d guess they’re probably more advanced? I know a guy that sources out cabinetry and they moved the bulk of their business from China to Vietnam a few years ago due to the Chinese factory constantly raising prices last minute, holding orders hostage, actually coming to the states and trying to go direct to their customers and bypass this guys distribution network etc…. He did say it took some time to get the Vietnamese plants up to speed and that the infrastructure, equipment, skill of the workers etc. was nowhere near as modern as the Chinese factories. It’s a global economy, and no way it will ever go back now. It would be interesting to see what it would cost to build the same exact scope using the same materials to the same specifications in China vs Japan Vs USA Vs Germany.
My curiosity is genuine as well. If Burris can make money selling the highly regarded Philippines made FF series scopes for under 200 bucks, it seems to me that Athlon could make money manufacturing their scopes there as well. The Helos 2-12x42 seems to have a strong following among the 'fire members.
It sells for a tick over $500. What would it sell for if it were made in Korea, the Philippines, Japan, Germany and the USA? The second question is how many would Athlon sell at the price they would have to sell them for if they were made in those countries? The final question is how many sales is Athlon losing because people won't buy a China made scope. Sure, we can't always reasonably avoid stuff made in China, but we can with scopes, and I and many others do. That sentiment is only growing over time as crap like the China spy balloon fiasco continues to occur.
Your STUPIDITY doesn't fhuqk with anyone,but your pointy headed self...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
As to the Cackling Hens,fretting the reality of a Global Economy and lauding how their skies are always falling,please continue the raging Estrogen Torrents,of the wares you'd almost buy if you weren't Brokedicks. Balloons are now "SCARY" too?!? Burris has never made a scope worth a fhuqk and seems intent upon keeping that "pace". It is fascinatingly HILARIOUS,how little you Crying Kchunts "know","see" or "do",other than Whine. Hint.
Try prying your kchunts from the couch and actually mashing a trigger. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!.....................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
I am hearing that it is now cheaper to manufacture stuff in mexico than it is in China. Maybe not long down the road we can look forward to mexican produced optics ! uhh
I think the Chyna factories can produce as good a quality product as the importer is willing to pay for. If the importer doesn’t order and hold to a higher spec, then cheap crap that fails will prevail.
I have an Athlon spotter that I’m satisfied with but rest assured none of my hunting rifles have chyna junk mounted on them.
Life Member NRA, RMEF, American Legion, MAGA. Not necessarily in that order.
Your STUPIDITY doesn't fhuqk with anyone,but your pointy headed self...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
As to the Cackling Hens,fretting the reality of a Global Economy and lauding how their skies are always falling,please continue the raging Estrogen Torrents,of the wares you'd almost buy if you weren't Brokedicks. Balloons are now "SCARY" too?!? Burris has never made a scope worth a fhuqk and seems intent upon keeping that "pace". It is fascinatingly HILARIOUS,how little you Crying Kchunts "know","see" or "do",other than Whine. Hint.
Try prying your kchunts from the couch and actually mashing a trigger. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!.....................
Your 4th grade grammar teacher needs a genuine bitch slap...
But you do get 10 bonus points for the proper use of the word Brokedick...
Ain't this fun Stick?
If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
I think the Chyna factories can produce as good a quality product as the importer is willing to pay for. If the importer doesn’t order and hold to a higher spec, then cheap crap that fails will prevail.
I have an Athlon spotter that I’m satisfied with but rest assured none of my hunting rifles have chyna junk mounted on them.
Bingo. We (when I worked) bought a lot of structural steel for our major O&G projects from China. We had to "teach" them what we required and plant our inspectors in their shops for QA and they delivered at a substantial savings.
My name is Matt and I am very excited to launch the official Athlon Optics thread on 24 Hour Campfire!
I am a competitive shooter (primarily 3GUN) and a member of the Athlon marketing team. I am also a big fan of good glass and all things that go BOOM.
I look forward to some great conversation and the opportunity to answer any questions you might have about our products or about optics in general.
So... Let's get this party started!
Are there any Athlon fans out there? If yes, I would love to hear about the Athlon products you are using, what you use them for, and what your experience has been.
Guys, I know Matt and he's a good guy. He's knowledgeable and willing to assist. Fell free to reach out to him with questions or situations and he will hook you up. He is a tech rep and customer service guy, he is not the guy running the company.
Only been home a coupla hours,but started carving some Mail open. Thus far,only (1) new Custom Rifle. Sister wants a 2-12x on it,which is obviously tough to whoop. Hint.
Likely killing Bears with it tomorrow,while forming cases. Hint.
Try prying your kchunts from the couch and actually mashing a trigger. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!.....................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Honest question, is there no viable options for manufacturing in other traditionally “cheap” countries? There’s lots of options that are countries not actively seeking world domination and actively working against our form of government and way of life. China is flooding our country with fentanyl just for starters. I do my best to not knowingly purchase anything made there if there’s any viable alternative.
I’d love to know what the profit margin is for a scope selling for $500-$1,000 that’s made in China is. Id guess 200% min.
Each to his own.
By all accounts, Korea and the Philippines are cranking out good quality, cost competitive scopes. I'd be very interested in knowing how much more it would cost Athlon to have one of their China made scopes produced in one of those countries instead.
Mine was an honest question, just wondering how the industry works. Is the “brand” sending out drawings/specifications to bid? Is there some reason Chinese factories are better suited to build optics than say Korea, Philippines, etc.. I’d guess they’re probably more advanced? I know a guy that sources out cabinetry and they moved the bulk of their business from China to Vietnam a few years ago due to the Chinese factory constantly raising prices last minute, holding orders hostage, actually coming to the states and trying to go direct to their customers and bypass this guys distribution network etc…. He did say it took some time to get the Vietnamese plants up to speed and that the infrastructure, equipment, skill of the workers etc. was nowhere near as modern as the Chinese factories. It’s a global economy, and no way it will ever go back now. It would be interesting to see what it would cost to build the same exact scope using the same materials to the same specifications in China vs Japan Vs USA Vs Germany.
Those decisions are above my pay grade - sorry guys...
I'm happy to simply shoot results,via wares which I've proven and trust. Hint.
Just sayin'................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
It is a VERY sound build and spec'd like I'd of done it. Some of which was easily discerned from afar,the balance glaring once in hand. Hint.
Impetus for me,in said chambering is .650 BC 250 Skinner Smooches for Sister. They kiss at 3.520",which is No Joy in OEM Gut Configuration(3.385" COAL "latitude"). Luckily,MWG once again will come to the rescue with S/S Lego's. If forced,it's easy enough to shim slide Issued Guts,but I'm never not hip on a S/S path to same and such things are warm/fuzzy. Hint.
The components play nicely,if only obviously. Hint.
Hell...it's even Hercules approved! Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
My name is Matt and I am very excited to launch the official Athlon Optics thread on 24 Hour Campfire!
I am a competitive shooter (primarily 3GUN) and a member of the Athlon marketing team. I am also a big fan of good glass and all things that go BOOM.
I look forward to some great conversation and the opportunity to answer any questions you might have about our products or about optics in general.
So... Let's get this party started!
Are there any Athlon fans out there? If yes, I would love to hear about the Athlon products you are using, what you use them for, and what your experience has been.
Guys, I know Matt and he's a good guy. He's knowledgeable and willing to assist. Feel free to reach out to him with questions or situations and he will hook you up. He is a tech rep and customer service guy, he is not the guy running the company.
Thanks for the endorsement, Doug - I appreciate.
In addition to helping with tech & customer support, I also manage our 58-member Pro Team & do all of the legwork for the 150+ matches we sponsor each year.
I'm just throwing that out so everyone can get to know me a little better and also explain why I don't have time to respond to every post.
To those of you who have contributed to this thread in a positive way, I want to say thanks. I will continue to sort through the noise so I can be as helpful as possible.
My mailbox is also up and running now, so feel free to contact me that way as well.
My name is Matt and I am very excited to launch the official Athlon Optics thread on 24 Hour Campfire!
I am a competitive shooter (primarily 3GUN) and a member of the Athlon marketing team. I am also a big fan of good glass and all things that go BOOM.
I look forward to some great conversation and the opportunity to answer any questions you might have about our products or about optics in general.
So... Let's get this party started!
Are there any Athlon fans out there? If yes, I would love to hear about the Athlon products you are using, what you use them for, and what your experience has been.
Guys, I know Matt and he's a good guy. He's knowledgeable and willing to assist. Feel free to reach out to him with questions or situations and he will hook you up. He is a tech rep and customer service guy, he is not the guy running the company.
Thanks for the endorsement, Doug - I appreciate.
In addition to helping with tech & customer support, I also manage our 58-member Pro Team & do all of the legwork for the 150+ matches we sponsor each year.
I'm just throwing that out so everyone can get to know me a little better and also explain why I don't have time to respond to every post.
To those of you who have contributed to this thread in a positive way, I want to say thanks. I will continue to sort through the noise so I can be as helpful as possible.
My mailbox is also up and running now, so feel free to contact me that way as well.
Cheers.
You local in Lenexa? I stopped by the Athlon headquarters there once and someone helped me with one of my Cronus scopes.
I know some of the Athlon fellas shot at Mill Creek regularly.
My name is Matt and I am very excited to launch the official Athlon Optics thread on 24 Hour Campfire!
I am a competitive shooter (primarily 3GUN) and a member of the Athlon marketing team. I am also a big fan of good glass and all things that go BOOM.
I look forward to some great conversation and the opportunity to answer any questions you might have about our products or about optics in general.
So... Let's get this party started!
Are there any Athlon fans out there? If yes, I would love to hear about the Athlon products you are using, what you use them for, and what your experience has been.
Guys, I know Matt and he's a good guy. He's knowledgeable and willing to assist. Feel free to reach out to him with questions or situations and he will hook you up. He is a tech rep and customer service guy, he is not the guy running the company.
Thanks for the endorsement, Doug - I appreciate.
In addition to helping with tech & customer support, I also manage our 58-member Pro Team & do all of the legwork for the 150+ matches we sponsor each year.
I'm just throwing that out so everyone can get to know me a little better and also explain why I don't have time to respond to every post.
To those of you who have contributed to this thread in a positive way, I want to say thanks. I will continue to sort through the noise so I can be as helpful as possible.
My mailbox is also up and running now, so feel free to contact me that way as well.
Cheers.
You local in Lenexa? I stopped by the Athlon headquarters there once and someone helped me with one of my Cronus scopes.
I know some of the Athlon fellas shot at Mill Creek regularly.
I work out of the HQ office in Olathe - stop by anytime!
Mill Creek is my home range - I usually shoot the monthly 3GUN matches + a few others out there.
It is a VERY sound build and spec'd like I'd of done it. Some of which was easily discerned from afar,the balance glaring once in hand. Hint.
Impetus for me,in said chambering is .650 BC 250 Skinner Smooches for Sister. They kiss at 3.520",which is No Joy in OEM Gut Configuration(3.385" COAL "latitude"). Luckily,MWG once again will come to the rescue with S/S Lego's. If forced,it's easy enough to shim slide Issued Guts,but I'm never not hip on a S/S path to same and such things are warm/fuzzy. Hint.
The components play nicely,if only obviously. Hint.
Hell...it's even Hercules approved! Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............
Only way to fly and stretching a mag in a 70 ain't never scared me horribly either. That should be a wicked killed once it's all done though. That's a nice rig, I am glad you grabbed it.
Honest question, is there no viable options for manufacturing in other traditionally “cheap” countries? There’s lots of options that are countries not actively seeking world domination and actively working against our form of government and way of life. China is flooding our country with fentanyl just for starters. I do my best to not knowingly purchase anything made there if there’s any viable alternative.
I’d love to know what the profit margin is for a scope selling for $500-$1,000 that’s made in China is. Id guess 200% min.
Each to his own.
By all accounts, Korea and the Philippines are cranking out good quality, cost competitive scopes. I'd be very interested in knowing how much more it would cost Athlon to have one of their China made scopes produced in one of those countries instead.
Mine was an honest question, just wondering how the industry works. Is the “brand” sending out drawings/specifications to bid? Is there some reason Chinese factories are better suited to build optics than say Korea, Philippines, etc.. I’d guess they’re probably more advanced? I know a guy that sources out cabinetry and they moved the bulk of their business from China to Vietnam a few years ago due to the Chinese factory constantly raising prices last minute, holding orders hostage, actually coming to the states and trying to go direct to their customers and bypass this guys distribution network etc…. He did say it took some time to get the Vietnamese plants up to speed and that the infrastructure, equipment, skill of the workers etc. was nowhere near as modern as the Chinese factories. It’s a global economy, and no way it will ever go back now. It would be interesting to see what it would cost to build the same exact scope using the same materials to the same specifications in China vs Japan Vs USA Vs Germany.
Those decisions are above my pay grade - sorry guys...
Completely understood. It's probably useful for you and your management to know. There is a substantial and growing anti China sentiment among 2A types. Just last week China pulled that stunt cutting one of our battleships off. They are an enemy, and it matters to a lot of shooters.
It's never been difficult to cypher who shoots and who don't,along with the Crying Karens. Hint.
Hit Karen with simplistic Facts and it's FULL fhuqking retreat,with an Avatar change. HINT.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!!!.................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Matt, I have a G2 20-60x86 Cronus UHD spotter inbound from Doug.
I was disappointed to learn there is no adapter available to fit a DSLR to the scope. I would love to attach my Nikon D5500 for pics of targets at the range, or of wildlife.
Just something for you to run up the flagpole.
Thanks.
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
My name is Matt and I am very excited to launch the official Athlon Optics thread on 24 Hour Campfire!
I am a competitive shooter (primarily 3GUN) and a member of the Athlon marketing team. I am also a big fan of good glass and all things that go BOOM.
I look forward to some great conversation and the opportunity to answer any questions you might have about our products or about optics in general.
So... Let's get this party started!
Are there any Athlon fans out there? If yes, I would love to hear about the Athlon products you are using, what you use them for, and what your experience has been.
Hello Matt I’ve been using the 2-12 mil helos and really like the scope. THE reason for that exact scope is due to the size of the center dot. Works great for hunting. All in all a very good package and the three I have are very repeatable when dialing. I do wish Athlon would offer a similar style and sized reticle in some of there other scopes.
Recently got ahold of the Athlon Helos 2-12. It's going on a lefty Rem 700 270win. Been awhile since I purchased rings/bases and need to source a set. The only optics I have that are comparable are Nightfarce, USO, Burris, Sightron, and Primary Arms.
Idaho Shooter just purchased a Athlon Cronus spotting scope. Box says MADE IN CHINA What’s the real TRUTH?
NWT
The only Athlon optics made in Japan are the Cronus riflescopes
Congrats on your purchase of a Cronus G2 spotter - recently named "Optic of the Year" at the Industry Choice Awards! I'm sure you will be very impressed - especially at the price point. As stated above, the only Athlon products that are manufactured in Japan are our Cronus rifle scopes. Everything we sell, however, goes through our QC lab in Olathe, KS before it is shipped out. Let us know what you think after you get a little time behind it.
Recently got ahold of the Athlon Helos 2-12. It's going on a lefty Rem 700 270win. Been awhile since I purchased rings/bases and need to source a set. The only optics I have that are comparable are Nightfarce, USO, Burris, Sightron, and Primary Arms.
I would recommend a set of Athlon Precision rings. Our 30mm versions are available in Low (.89"), Medium (1.05"), and MSR (1.443") heights.
[quote=NWT]Idaho Shooter just purchased a Athlon Cronus spotting scope. Box says MADE IN CHINA What’s the real TRUTH?
NWT
The only Athlon optics made in Japan are the Cronus riflescopes
As stated above, the only Athlon products that are manufactured in Japan are our Cronus rifle scopes. Everything we sell, however, goes through our QC lab in Olathe, KS before it is shipped out.
Athlon: You are missing the point completely!! Most of us could care less about your CHINESE GOVERNMENT made products being quality checked in a USA facility. The entire problem is the Athlon products you are supporting and pushing in America are made by the CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY read the CCP. In case you have missed it , the CHINESE COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT who owns Athlon wants to destroy our countries way of life. This includes the shooting sports and hunting. Not sure why any American would get in bed with a CCP company in today’s world when there are so many better choices. F*** the CCP NWT
Last edited by NWT; 06/14/23. Reason: Add two words
Recently got ahold of the Athlon Helos 2-12. It's going on a lefty Rem 700 270win. Been awhile since I purchased rings/bases and need to source a set. The only optics I have that are comparable are Nightfarce, USO, Burris, Sightron, and Primary Arms.
I would recommend a set of Athlon Precision rings. Our 30mm versions are available in Low (.89"), Medium (1.05"), and MSR (1.443") heights.
Thanks. I wasn't aware there were rings available. What is the weight on them like. Med or heavy?
Recently got ahold of the Athlon Helos 2-12. It's going on a lefty Rem 700 270win. Been awhile since I purchased rings/bases and need to source a set. The only optics I have that are comparable are Nightfarce, USO, Burris, Sightron, and Primary Arms.
I would recommend a set of Athlon Precision rings. Our 30mm versions are available in Low (.89"), Medium (1.05"), and MSR (1.443") heights.
Thanks. I wasn't aware there were rings available. What is the weight on them like. Med or heavy?
[quote=NWT]Idaho Shooter just purchased a Athlon Cronus spotting scope. Box says MADE IN CHINA What’s the real TRUTH?
NWT
The only Athlon optics made in Japan are the Cronus riflescopes
As stated above, the only Athlon products that are manufactured in Japan are our Cronus rifle scopes. Everything we sell, however, goes through our QC lab in Olathe, KS before it is shipped out.
Athlon: You are missing the point completely!! Most of us could care less about your CHINESE GOVERNMENT made products being quality checked in a USA facility. The entire problem is the Athlon products you are supporting and pushing in America are made by the CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY read the CCP. In case you have missed it , the CHINESE COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT who owns Athlon wants to destroy our countries way of life. This includes the shooting sports and hunting. Not sure why any American would get in bed with a CCP company in today’s world when there are so many better choices. F*** the CCP NWT
I understand what you are saying and don't disagree.... but the only reason communist china is an actual threat to us is because our politicians sold us out. Started with Nixon, then advanced big time by Clinton then GWB pushed for normalized trade status for them. Then our corporations sent all our factory jobs over to China and profits shot through the roof and the stock market cheered. Now we have NWO pedophiles running the show.... So in the grand scheme of things purchasing a Chinese scope or two doesn't move the needle at all. The biggest threat to us and our way of life is homegrown. Want to make a difference boycott Budweiser
Originally Posted by Judman PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
[quote=NWT]Idaho Shooter just purchased a Athlon Cronus spotting scope. Box says MADE IN CHINA What’s the real TRUTH?
NWT
The only Athlon optics made in Japan are the Cronus riflescopes
As stated above, the only Athlon products that are manufactured in Japan are our Cronus rifle scopes. Everything we sell, however, goes through our QC lab in Olathe, KS before it is shipped out.
Athlon: You are missing the point completely!! Most of us could care less about your CHINESE GOVERNMENT made products being quality checked in a USA facility. The entire problem is the Athlon products you are supporting and pushing in America are made by the CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY read the CCP. In case you have missed it , the CHINESE COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT who owns Athlon wants to destroy our countries way of life. This includes the shooting sports and hunting. Not sure why any American would get in bed with a CCP company in today’s world when there are so many better choices. F*** the CCP NWT
I understand what you are saying and don't disagree.... but the only reason communist china is an actual threat to us is because our politicians sold us out. Started with Nixon, then advanced big time by Clinton then GWB pushed for normalized trade status for them. Then our corporations sent all our factory jobs over to China and profits shot through the roof and the stock market cheered. Now we have NWO pedophiles running the show.... So in the grand scheme of things purchasing a Chinese scope or two doesn't move the needle at all. The biggest threat to us and our way of life is homegrown. Want to make a difference boycott Budweiser
Amen
Good bullets properly placed always work, but not everyone knows what good bullets are, or can reliably place them in the field
Athlon_Optics, You may have missed my previous post amongst the noise. Would appreciated your comments on the 2-12's performance in the thread linked above.
the drop tests if yo can call it that , is not a real test or measure in my mind. too many variables , prone to inconsistent and no real control in the "testing" to be valid and meaningful. Besides , if I drop or bump my rifle I am going to ensure my zero is fine before shooting at an animal.
One time I was driving down the highway and I decided to take a picture of the sunset by holding my phone up through the sunroof (bad idea). It blew away and I could see it bouncing down the highway in my rearview mirror. I was able to recover it and it was completely fine! Shortly after, I knocked my phone off the bottom shelf of a nightstand (about 15 inches) and the screen shattered. Drop tests, as mentioned above, can be misleading due to consistency and control issues. All it takes is contact at just the right angle to mess things up. That's my opinion, anyway. Fortunately, Athlon offers a transferable lifetime warranty. If something goes wrong, we will repair or replace it.
I can understand your aversion. Honest question… So I assume Athlon has some type of durability testing of their own that is more uniformly standardized? Please share with us. What kind of impact and or reliability testing does Athlon perform?
[quote=NWT]Idaho Shooter just purchased a Athlon Cronus spotting scope. Box says MADE IN CHINA What’s the real TRUTH?
NWT
The only Athlon optics made in Japan are the Cronus riflescopes
As stated above, the only Athlon products that are manufactured in Japan are our Cronus rifle scopes. Everything we sell, however, goes through our QC lab in Olathe, KS before it is shipped out.
Athlon: You are missing the point completely!! Most of us could care less about your CHINESE GOVERNMENT made products being quality checked in a USA facility. The entire problem is the Athlon products you are supporting and pushing in America are made by the CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY read the CCP. In case you have missed it , the CHINESE COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT who owns Athlon wants to destroy our countries way of life. This includes the shooting sports and hunting. Not sure why any American would get in bed with a CCP company in today’s world when there are so many better choices. F*** the CCP NWT
I understand what you are saying and don't disagree.... but the only reason communist china is an actual threat to us is because our politicians sold us out. Started with Nixon, then advanced big time by Clinton then GWB pushed for normalized trade status for them. Then our corporations sent all our factory jobs over to China and profits shot through the roof and the stock market cheered. Now we have NWO pedophiles running the show.... So in the grand scheme of things purchasing a Chinese scope or two doesn't move the needle at all. The biggest threat to us and our way of life is homegrown. Want to make a difference boycott Budweiser
Amen
Maybe the china scope haters are looking at this all wrong... they should consider the highest and best use for a quality china made scope would be to snipe a few commies if they ever decide to invade... And Matt, I am pretty sure is an American, with a family and that is a good thing to support!!!!
Originally Posted by Judman PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Athlon_Optics, You may have missed my previous post amongst the noise. Would appreciated your comments on the 2-12's performance in the thread linked above.
the drop tests if yo can call it that , is not a real test or measure in my mind. too many variables , prone to inconsistent and no real control in the "testing" to be valid and meaningful. Besides , if I drop or bump my rifle I am going to ensure my zero is fine before shooting at an animal.
One time I was driving down the highway and I decided to take a picture of the sunset by holding my phone up through the sunroof (bad idea). It blew away and I could see it bouncing down the highway in my rearview mirror. I was able to recover it and it was completely fine! Shortly after, I knocked my phone off the bottom shelf of a nightstand (about 15 inches) and the screen shattered. Drop tests, as mentioned above, can be misleading due to consistency and control issues. All it takes is contact at just the right angle to mess things up. That's my opinion, anyway. Fortunately, Athlon offers a transferable lifetime warranty. If something goes wrong, we will repair or replace it.
I can understand your aversion. Honest question… So I assume Athlon has some type of durability testing of their own that is more uniformly standardized? Please share with us. What kind of impact and or reliability testing does Athlon perform?
I test and break stuff for a living (.mil COTS and spaceflight), and most manufacturers won't release details on specifics of internal testing they do. I can think up some test programs that would be applicable, but it would be interesting to see some transparency in the test standards, procedure details, and sample size tested.
The "Rokslide test" is...yeah. Very arbitrary and likely not especially repeatable.
Athlon_Optics, You may have missed my previous post amongst the noise. Would appreciated your comments on the 2-12's performance in the thread linked above.
the drop tests if yo can call it that , is not a real test or measure in my mind. too many variables , prone to inconsistent and no real control in the "testing" to be valid and meaningful. Besides , if I drop or bump my rifle I am going to ensure my zero is fine before shooting at an animal.
One time I was driving down the highway and I decided to take a picture of the sunset by holding my phone up through the sunroof (bad idea). It blew away and I could see it bouncing down the highway in my rearview mirror. I was able to recover it and it was completely fine! Shortly after, I knocked my phone off the bottom shelf of a nightstand (about 15 inches) and the screen shattered. Drop tests, as mentioned above, can be misleading due to consistency and control issues. All it takes is contact at just the right angle to mess things up. That's my opinion, anyway. Fortunately, Athlon offers a transferable lifetime warranty. If something goes wrong, we will repair or replace it.
I can understand your aversion. Honest question… So I assume Athlon has some type of durability testing of their own that is more uniformly standardized? Please share with us. What kind of impact and or reliability testing does Athlon perform?
I test and break stuff for a living (.mil COTS and spaceflight), and most manufacturers won't release details on specifics of internal testing they do. I can think up some test programs that would be applicable, but it would be interesting to see some transparency in the test standards, procedure details, and sample size tested.
The "Rokslide test" is...yeah. Very arbitrary and likely not especially repeatable.
I don’t necessarily need to see the exact test, but I want to know that some impact/durability/zero retention testing was done! I’d venture a guess that most manufacturers do none at all! They could show us what that means the scope is then capable of. You ever seen any of the Nightforce torture test videos? I’m not saying things need to be taken to that extreme, but I will tell you this, I will only purchase scopes that come from manufacturers that do durability/impact/zero retention testing. As a consumer, I believe that should be a minimum standard we should expect. Instead, most manufacturers seem to avoid the matter altogether. I hope that isn’t what’s happening here?
I don’t necessarily need to see the exact test, but I want to know that some impact/durability/zero retention testing was done! I’d venture a guess that most manufacturers do none at all! They could show us what that means the scope is then capable of. You ever seen any of the Nightforce torture test videos? I’m not saying things need to be taken to that extreme, but I will tell you this, I will only purchase scopes that come from manufacturers that do durability/impact/zero retention testing. As a consumer, I believe that should be a minimum standard we should expect. Instead, most manufacturers seem to avoid the matter altogether. I hope that isn’t what’s happening here?
I suspect all manufacturers do recoil based zero retention testing, and that is indeed enough to serve most shooters well. I wonder what percentage of game is killed each year with the scopes you worship. 1% maybe? That means the other scopes "work."
So just because an automobile has a motor that runs and tires that turn, that’s enough for you? Of course a scope should hold up to recoil, that’s a given, and no it’s not enough! Personally, I want a car that has also been crash tested. Durability after impact matters to me, just like it does with scopes.
Your point that 99% of other scopes work is bunk. More like 99% of consumers are too dumb to know better and demand more. But that’s changing. People are becoming more informed and demanding better durability. Fancy features, pretty glass, flashy marketing (warranties) and recoil testing alone aren’t gonna cut it. Scope manufacturers will need to adjust accordingly. It won’t happen overnight, but it will happen. It’s starting. Manufacturers that continue to ignore the matter of impact testing and zero retention will lose share to those who embrace the concept. It’s a good thing.
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