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Shooting Paper at any distance is BORING !!! as HELL, shoot Steel. Rio7

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Shooting Paper at any distance is BORING !!! as HELL, shoot Steel. Rio7

You’re right.

Audettes might work on a big steel plate at looong range


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As a person who does not own a chronograph what I'm hearing is your group at the target (group size) is more important than knowing your velocity. It sounds like shooting a ladder of different powder load sizes until you find an accurate load is more important than knowing what your velocity is. Factoring in good sound loading techniques of course.

It's not that having a chronograph is not helpful, (to determine ballistics) but it should not be the primary deciding factor. Ultimately the group size is the ultimate decision maker when you choose powder, load and bullet selection ?

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https://precisionrifleblog.com/2012/07/13/creighton-audette-ladder-testing/

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Originally Posted by kwg020
Ultimately the group size is the ultimate decision maker when you choose powder, load and bullet selection ?

You shoot a bunch of one-shot "groups" at a piece of paper. The Audette method looks for tight vertical dispersion, not a "group" per se.

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Ultimately the group size is the ultimate decision maker when you choose powder, load and bullet selection ?

You shoot a bunch of one-shot "groups" at a piece of paper. The Audette method looks for tight vertical dispersion, not a "group" per se.
I interpret that as the charge gets larger you would expect the POI to rise. However, when you get to a string that is flat with the same or similar POI's a person could look at those loads closer in order to find the "best" load.

Just my interpretation . Thanks, I appreciate the information.

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Originally Posted by kwg020
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Ultimately the group size is the ultimate decision maker when you choose powder, load and bullet selection ?

You shoot a bunch of one-shot "groups" at a piece of paper. The Audette method looks for tight vertical dispersion, not a "group" per se.
I interpret that as the charge gets larger you would expect the POI to rise. However, when you get to a string that is flat with the same or similar POI's a person could look at those loads closer in order to find the "best" load.

Just my interpretation . Thanks, I appreciate the information.

kwg

Not necessarily.

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I knew Creighton quite well! A really good Palma shooter! An engineering shooter he was!!


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Audette is about people too lazy to use a scale.

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"When shooting the Audette, only one shot per increment is used"

Which is why it is not a desireable method.

Tell me one other scientific process that relies on a quantity of 1 to base a decision on.

Now if you shoot the ladder 6 times well that's different but if your shooting the ladder 6 times you are really doing optimal charge weight in a different form.

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Originally Posted by Mike_Dettorre
"When shooting the Audette, only one shot per increment is used"

Which is why it is not a desireable method.

Tell me one other scientific process that relies on a quantity of 1 to base a decision on.

Now if you shoot the ladder 6 times well that's different but if your shooting the ladder 6 times you are really doing optimal charge weight in a different form.


Wrong

The decision is based on all of the impacts


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Originally Posted by rcamuglia
The decision is based on all of the impacts

You are taking your decision based on the relative position of one impact, which does not mean anything, against another, which does not mean anything, against another, which does not mean anything, against another, which does not mean anything... and so on.

If the results obtained in such a way would be repeatable time after time I would change my mind but I have never seen anyone even trying.

Disclaimer: It would work for someone and his gun who shoots one-holers only, of course.

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Chamois is correct. Run the same Audette ladder 24 times and you have the equivalent of this Optimal Charge Weight method target below.

I have yet to see a post on any internet forum where some states that they even ran their Audette ladder even 3 times.

To prove the point, had the target below been shot as an Audette; single rounds of 44.8, 45.2, & 45.6 could have easily made 45.2 look like a good Audette load where a better load is 46.2.

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Last edited by Mike_Dettorre; 05/26/23.

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Mike,

You rifle likes the right side of the target page.


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