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What would happen if the two private landowners at the corners each erected a short stretch of border wall style fence and connected them?

They'd be violating the UiA....read the summary judgement.
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Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
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That would allow the passage of most ATV's at 50" (including my 50" RZR), but prohibit 95% of UTV's at 60" or more.

Have to get around roadless designations first. My guess, traffic will be limited to foot and horse.

If you can ever gain passage of ROW laws.

If they do give passage of ROW then wouldn’t federal Americans With Disability Laws also be enforced?
There would have to be equal access for all, not just those physically able to climb ladders, right?

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I guess I’ve always felt a landowner has the right to do what he wants with his own land. Every last inch of it. If he wants to build a high fence within 1mm of his corner, that’s his deal. If the cross corner guy does the same thing, then it’s the same thing.

I wish no public land were landlocked, but sometimes things aren’t like I wished.

Man, I am kinda with you on this, but can you imagine the mess we'd have if there were no easements or eminent domain?

If we’re gonna use eminent domain for recreational access, why not just seize all the good hunting and fishing places. Public good, and all.

Corner hopping is not an issue with me, but I do own property on a trout stream. Access here is pretty limited. Seizing a 10ft swath across my place would give lots of fishermen access. I wouldn’t care much for that.

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Originally Posted by earlybrd
Originally Posted by BuzzH
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
What would happen if the two private landowners at the corners each erected a short stretch of border wall style fence and connected them?

They'd be violating the UiA....read the summary judgement.
Your still a fugking loser


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That’s why BHA does nothing for hunting seasons being shut down. But BHA and buzzy will support every gun ban and confiscation.

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Originally Posted by ribka
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Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
What would happen if the two private landowners at the corners each erected a short stretch of border wall style fence and connected them?

They'd be violating the UiA....read the summary judgement.
Your still a fugking loser


If buzzy can’t grift he ain’t interested

That’s why BHA does nothing for hunting seasons being shut down. But BHA and buzzy will support every gun ban and confiscation.
Fugk buzzy and his grift he’s a loser

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Originally Posted by Huntingfool270
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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
That would allow the passage of most ATV's at 50" (including my 50" RZR), but prohibit 95% of UTV's at 60" or more.

Have to get around roadless designations first. My guess, traffic will be limited to foot and horse.

If you can ever gain passage of ROW laws.

If they do give passage of ROW then wouldn’t federal Americans With Disability Laws also be enforced?
There would have to be equal access for all, not just those physically able to climb ladders, right?


Probably not. They have not installed wheel chair ramps to the top of the best elk hunting mountains.......YET.


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#winning, nothing new, I'm used to it.

Hopefully gets appealed by iron bar holdings so we can win again in the 10th circuit. That will set precedent in a big part of the West.

Take out your notepads and pencils, this is how it's done.

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Originally Posted by BuzzH
#winning, nothing new, I'm used to it.

Hopefully gets appealed by iron bar holdings so we can win again in the 10th circuit. That will set precedent in a big part of the West.

Take out your notepads and pencils, this is how it's done.
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Originally Posted by WMR
If we’re gonna use eminent domain for recreational access, why not just seize all the good hunting and fishing places. Public good, and all.

Corner hopping is not an issue with me, but I do own property on a trout stream. Access here is pretty limited. Seizing a 10ft swath across my place would give lots of fishermen access. I wouldn’t care much for that.
Eminent Domain is used fairly often for recreational access such as boat ramps and dams when it was legal to build a dam. In my state all kinds of land and even graveyards were taken (and paid for) when dammed up water covered them. And we don't as a rule dam up water for power generation, irrigation, or city water supply although sometimes water systems do tap in after the fact. It is usually that a lake is built for recreation.

As to your trout stream you probably aren't in danger unless you are blocking the only nearby access to a large public property.


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How do they get the dead game back over the ladder? Is there a long way around by road?

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Originally Posted by Hastings
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If we’re gonna use eminent domain for recreational access, why not just seize all the good hunting and fishing places. Public good, and all.

Corner hopping is not an issue with me, but I do own property on a trout stream. Access here is pretty limited. Seizing a 10ft swath across my place would give lots of fishermen access. I wouldn’t care much for that.
Eminent Domain is used fairly often for recreational access such as boat ramps and dams when it was legal to build a dam. In my state all kinds of land and even graveyards were taken (and paid for) when dammed up water covered them. And we don't as a rule dam up water for power generation, irrigation, or city water supply palthough sometimes water systems do tap in after the fact. It is usually that a lake is built for recreation.

As to your trout stream you probably aren't in danger unless you are blocking the only nearby access to a large public property.

I’ve never heard of ED being used here (MI) for recreational access. It may have happened, but it must be rare. If we’re to go there, why limit it to corner crossing issues? Just seize all the good land and call it a public good. Shucks, maybe seize businesses while we’re at it. We all know how that ends.

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Yep. imminent domaine, one square yard, foot traffic only, at corner crossings would fix it, but lets face it, many, perhaps all, western states' legislatures are in the pocket of the big ranchers.

Ain't gonna happen.


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Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
That would allow the passage of most ATV's at 50" (including my 50" RZR), but prohibit 95% of UTV's at 60" or more.

Have to get around roadless designations first. My guess, traffic will be limited to foot and horse.

If you can ever gain passage of ROW laws.

If they do give passage of ROW then wouldn’t federal Americans With Disability Laws also be enforced?
There would have to be equal access for all, not just those physically able to climb ladders, right?


Probably not. They have not installed wheel chair ramps to the top of the best elk hunting mountains.......YET.

Not saying I agree with it. I’m saying once this ball gets rolling it’s not going to be guided by level headed, practical, logical, and reasonable decisions. There are already too many laws out there and the whole concept of unintended consequences. Who knows where this ends.

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Just look to Stalin's Russia to know exactly where it ends.

Federal seizures of all lands and businesses.

There is a hell of big difference between eminent domain to build a new freeway for millions to use each year, or seizing a piece of private property so six hunters can get across to what they think might be a honey hole.


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I do not see myself corner crossing, but I am glad to see the ruling.

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Maybe a group that builds “sky bridges” from closest public access to the public land so that the people that actually pay for it can access it. 😂. The Eshelman’s of the world either agree to allow access for all in perpetuity or they’ll be responsible that nothing they do or own or employ will damage the public access.


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Originally Posted by las
Yep. imminent domaine, one square yard, foot traffic only, at corner crossings would fix it, but lets face it, many, perhaps all, western states' legislatures are in the pocket of the big ranchers.

Ain't gonna happen.

Throw the Guides/Outfitters in there too. G/O’s in WY would turn WY into Alberta if they could where NOBODY from out of state could hunt a thing without them.


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I chose 1 square yard to eliminate 4 wheelers and UTV. It would not eliminate 2 wheel traffic, like motorcycles, so that's why I specified foot traffic only. Had not considered the handicap thing. Wheelchairs are less than 36 inches wide, usually

Handicap access for those that can walk 2 steps or fit a wheelchair through a doorway? I don't see a problem.

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There is no discussion about motorized access or any talk of eminent domain or any other taking.

This case is/was 100% about stepping from one piece of public land to another piece of public land.

Read the summary judgement...

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Originally Posted by BuzzH
There is no discussion about motorized access or any talk of eminent domain or any other taking.

This case is/was 100% about stepping from one piece of public land to another piece of public land.

Read the summary judgement...
One step at a time. I'm sure you'll eventually get it pared down to only people who are nicknamed "Buzz" and last name starts with "H".


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