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Nobody sets foot on private land corner crossing, period end of story. That’s a bit ingenious. If it were that simple, the issue would have been resolved decades ago. And you know it’s far from the end of the story. A bit more propaganda, I think.[/quote] Wrong, have you been living under a rock the past 40-50 years? Unbelievable.
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Buzz... you have 10% minus... of the charisma of brokedick Burn.
Do you mind if I call you "Brokedick Buzz"?
Purely a rhetorical question mind you?
Thanks in advance...
If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
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Well, while the cuunts that will never hunt out west bitch, piss, moan and pick at buzz, I thank buzz, the bha, everyone that donated to the cause, and the Missouri 4.
The miserable fuucks that do nothing but bitch and whine, keep it up, “back east” is a great place for you cuunts.👊🏻😘
Ping pong balls for the win.
Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable
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Ain’t easy havin pals.
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Well, while the cuunts that will never hunt out west bitch, piss, moan and pick at buzz, I thank buzz, the bha, everyone that donated to the cause, and the Missouri 4.
The miserable fuucks that do nothing but bitch and whine, keep it up, “back east” is a great place for you cuunts.👊🏻😘 Hard Copy
If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
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Well, while the cuunts that will never hunt out west bitch, piss, moan and pick at buzz, I thank buzz, the bha, everyone that donated to the cause, and the Missouri 4.
The miserable fuucks that do nothing but bitch and whine, keep it up, “back east” is a great place for you cuunts.👊🏻😘 Them Biden Boyz as thick as thieves. Lol
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Well, while the cuunts that will never hunt out west bitch, piss, moan and pick at buzz, I thank buzz, the bha, everyone that donated to the cause, and the Missouri 4.
The miserable fuucks that do nothing but bitch and whine, keep it up, “back east” is a great place for you cuunts.👊🏻😘 Was MOtown boys that hadda come west ta show y'all what balls is.
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In my 30 years as a state and federal game warden I met many an SOB like Eshelman. Eshelman's conduct toward the pilot Mr. Scott and his wife proves (as if we didn't know) beyond any doubt what his greedy ass motives were.
God bless the federal judge and this proves the value of a lifetime appointment to the bench.
Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
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Well, while the cuunts that will never hunt out west bitch, piss, moan and pick at buzz, I thank buzz, the bha, everyone that donated to the cause, and the Missouri 4.
The miserable fuucks that do nothing but bitch and whine, keep it up, “back east” is a great place for you cuunts.👊🏻😘 Was MOtown boys that hadda come west ta show y'all what balls is. Everyone wants someone else to do their fighting for them.
Life is good live it while you can.
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Well, while the cuunts that will never hunt out west bitch, piss, moan and pick at buzz, I thank buzz, the bha, everyone that donated to the cause, and the Missouri 4.
The miserable fuucks that do nothing but bitch and whine, keep it up, “back east” is a great place for you cuunts.👊🏻😘 No thanks required, just make sure to cross a few corners to hunt my/your public land next time you're hunting Wyoming. You're also right, lots of miserable folks on the campfire. Sad, but their own fault.
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[quote=Verylargeboots]5 pages of this and I am a little lost. I am reading this like hunters were trespassing on private land (corner of the property) to get to public land that is otherwise inaccessible from that area. Is that correct? The hunters never set foot on private property. The private property owner wanted sole control of public land he does not own. This explains it better. https://amerisurv.com/2023/02/09/corner-crossing/Slippery slope but I understand now, thank you. Not sure about slippery slope. No foot was set on private property and the owner even harassed people who flew aircraft in to the publicly owned land. I am aware of a couple of incidents in the 1980's where people were in the process of buying a narrow strip of land from a public agency surrounding a large area of publicly owned land and another where property owners were selling a large tract of land to a public agency less a owned tract completely surrounding what was to be publicly owned and both attempts got torpedoed. Slippery slope in terms of future non-hunting or public land related legal opinions based on this particular case. A good lawyer could even twist it into an eminent domain issue. There should be an easement in to it. §1063. Obstruction of settlement on or transit over public lands No person, by force, threats, intimidation, or by any fencing or inclosing, or any other unlawful means, shall prevent or obstruct, or shall combine and confederate with others to prevent or obstruct, any person from peaceably entering upon or establishing a settlement or residence on any tract of public land subject to settlement or entry under the public land laws of the United States, or shall prevent or obstruct free passage or transit over or through the public lands: Provided, This section shall not be held to affect the right or title of persons, who have gone upon, improved, or occupied said lands under the land laws of the United States, claiming title thereto, in good faith. (Feb. 25, 1885, ch. 149, §3, 23 Stat. 322.) Read that last sentence again carefully. This section shall not be held to affect the right or title of persons, who have gone upon, improved, or occupied said lands under the land laws of the United States, claiming title thereto, in good faith. Once you have clear title to land, you have the right to prevent trespass. You know what guys. This has all been hashed out in the 19th century. Most of these laws were established over 100 years ago. And the law properly adjudicated since. So now a bunch of Socialists want to rewrite the laws and take what others have bought and paid for. FINE! Pay them what it is worth! I read the whole thing. What I haven't read is anything indicating Eshelman has "gone upon, improved, or occupied said lands under the land laws of the United States, claiming title thereto, in good faith" which seems to indicate homesteading the publicly owned tract in question. Why should anyone pay him for something he doesn't own? That line does not refer to the public land. It refers to the private land you must cross to get to the public land. Nobody can stop you from occupying public land. But they do not have to let you cross private deeded land to get there.[/quote] See the part about "said land"? "Said land" is referring to public land in the law. The exception is referring to homesteading which did not occur. https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim  title43/chapter25&edition=prelim#:~:text=No%20person%2C%20by%20force%2C%20threats,tract%20of%20public%20land%20subject
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Well, while the cuunts that will never hunt out west bitch, piss, moan and pick at buzz, I thank buzz, the bha, everyone that donated to the cause, and the Missouri 4.
The miserable fuucks that do nothing but bitch and whine, keep it up, “back east” is a great place for you cuunts.👊🏻😘 Was MOtown boys that hadda come west ta show y'all what balls is. Everyone wants someone else to do their fighting for them. Not true in this case, but carry on with the nonsense. The rich landowner pressed the issue because they were NRs, he didn't try that chit with Residents. Figured he could prove his point because they wouldn't have the resources, desire, or time to fight. What Fred didn't figure was a handful of motivated residents willing to put their money, talent, and time into providing the resources it takes to do so. The Missour4 will tell you outright, without WyBHA they would have not fought this. The thanks goes to a combined effort and 2100 sportsmen/women and other outdoor recreationists that contributed to opening up public access to public lands. The good guys won, and won big...I really hope Fred files that appeal. Either way, the genie is out of the bottle and there's no putting it back. Public land owners want access to THEIR public land, and we're getting that access.
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Except someone already hired the aircraft and Eshelman proved his concern isn't trespass on land he owns, but is instead being able to control land he doesn't own. That is an entirely different matter, and a damned good way for someone to die. Try to force most people off of anywhere they have a perfectly good reason to be, is going to necessitate use of force. Which will lead to justified self defense. Hope they like prison... You fugging idiot. You just advocated for sending legitimate hunters to prison in the case of justified self defense.
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
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Well, while the cuunts that will never hunt out west bitch, piss, moan and pick at buzz, I thank buzz, the bha, everyone that donated to the cause, and the Missouri 4.
The miserable fuucks that do nothing but bitch and whine, keep it up, “back east” is a great place for you cuunts.👊🏻😘 Was MOtown boys that hadda come west ta show y'all what balls is. Everyone wants someone else to do their fighting for them. Not true in this case, but carry on with the nonsense. The rich landowner pressed the issue because they were NRs, he didn't try that chit with Residents. Figured he could prove his point because they wouldn't have the resources, desire, or time to fight. What Fred didn't figure was a handful of motivated residents willing to put their money, talent, and time into providing the resources it takes to do so. The Missour4 will tell you outright, without WyBHA they would have not fought this. The thanks goes to a combined effort and 2100 sportsmen/women and other outdoor recreationists that contributed to opening up public access to public lands. The good guys won, and won big...I really hope Fred files that appeal. Either way, the genie is out of the bottle and there's no putting it back. Public land owners want access to THEIR public land, and we're getting that access. Bullshit.
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2) The 2 tracts that had feet on them were not privately owned.
3) Eshelman doesn't want flights in to the public owned land either. The discussion here is of taking private lands (at public expense) to give a very few access through those private lands. What in the Holy Hell is wrong with flying into the public lands? Except that the hunter is on the hook for the cost of the flight time, rather than foisting the cost onto the taxpayer? What Eshelman wants is of no consequence! The subject of the thread is referring to the legal proceedings about corner crossing from one existing tract of public land to another existing tract of public land. No trespassing involved at all so it isn't clear why you would bring up what you described as trespassing pheasant hunters. Eshelman and a large number of people supporting him having control of property he does not own seem to think what he wants does matter. Then they would be wrong too. I bring up the pheasant hunters because just like the corner jumpers they think they have a right to use of what others have spent their blood, sweat, and tears to buy and build. Wah, wah, fugging wah, he has it and I want to run across it! And I want someone else to pay for it! Fugging Socialists! You can not cross a piece of property without trespassing upon that property, unless you are in FAA controlled airspace. I do not know about other states. I can only use Idaho as an example. In Idaho trespassing includes the words "to cause a force to cross said property". Specifically, you can not shoot across another property. Jumping over the property would seem to be in the same vein. Let's put it this way. Can I go buy a drone and fly it around in your back yard six feet off the ground. Maybe I am filming your kids playing in the pool, maybe I am not. Maybe I am taking pictures through your windows, maybe I am not. Point being, according to many here, I am not trespassing as long as the drone does not touch the ground. Most of us here would blow the drone right out of the sky and think we were quite justified. Had I been the judge in this case, I would have awarded Eshelman $1 in damages and told the hunters next time they would by subject to all trespass penalties. As I have said many times, If you want to cross another's property, figure out just what it is worth in $ to do so, and see if the property owner will agree. If not, hire that helicopter. Except someone already hired the aircraft and Eshelman proved his concern isn't trespass on land he owns, but is instead being able to control land he doesn't own. That is an entirely different matter, and a damned good way for someone to die. Try to force most people off of anywhere they have a perfectly good reason to be, is going to necessitate use of force. Which will lead to justified self defense. It isn't a separate matter at all because it is the same person that is wanting to control land he does not own. Also the same person that tried to claim a waypoint on a GPS system was evidence of trespass. Be like spilling coffee on a map that includes his property and having him try to claim vandalism.
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God damn right I’m right. It’s easy to see folks as miserable as most here on the fire, don’t do a fuucking thing but bitch, talk shiit about other members. I’m sure you’ll know where I’ll be huntin big bulls, corners will be crossed and good bulls will be killed. Meanwhile the “back east faags” will be suckin Dick to gain access, planting food plots, breeding deer, and fillin feeders!!😂😂
Stay back there bitches, nothing west of the Mississippi!😘
Ping pong balls for the win.
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Except someone already hired the aircraft and Eshelman proved his concern isn't trespass on land he owns, but is instead being able to control land he doesn't own. That is an entirely different matter, and a damned good way for someone to die. Try to force most people off of anywhere they have a perfectly good reason to be, is going to necessitate use of force. Which will lead to justified self defense. Hope they like prison... You fugging idiot. You just advocated for sending legitimate hunters to prison in the case of justified self defense. Idiot, we have law enforcement for a reason. Landowners that harass hunters on public land will be dealt with by our law enforcement. Lay off binge watching Yellowstone, you're sounding like a drama queen.
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Except someone already hired the aircraft and Eshelman proved his concern isn't trespass on land he owns, but is instead being able to control land he doesn't own. That is an entirely different matter, and a damned good way for someone to die. Try to force most people off of anywhere they have a perfectly good reason to be, is going to necessitate use of force. Which will lead to justified self defense. Hope they like prison... You fugging idiot. You just advocated for sending legitimate hunters to prison in the case of justified self defense. It wasn't totally clear what you meant. I believe he thought you were advocating for Eshelman to use deadly force.
Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
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Well, while the cuunts that will never hunt out west bitch, piss, moan and pick at buzz, I thank buzz, the bha, everyone that donated to the cause, and the Missouri 4.
The miserable fuucks that do nothing but bitch and whine, keep it up, “back east” is a great place for you cuunts.👊🏻😘 Been hunting "Out West" my entire life. I never had to trespass to keep the freezer filled. There's a lot of public ground available without infringing on other's rights. I'll leave the infringing to the growing crop of Communists.
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
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Well, while the cuunts that will never hunt out west bitch, piss, moan and pick at buzz, I thank buzz, the bha, everyone that donated to the cause, and the Missouri 4.
The miserable fuucks that do nothing but bitch and whine, keep it up, “back east” is a great place for you cuunts.👊🏻😘 Was MOtown boys that hadda come west ta show y'all what balls is. Everyone wants someone else to do their fighting for them. Not true in this case, but carry on with the nonsense. The rich landowner pressed the issue because they were NRs, he didn't try that chit with Residents. Figured he could prove his point because they wouldn't have the resources, desire, or time to fight. What Fred didn't figure was a handful of motivated residents willing to put their money, talent, and time into providing the resources it takes to do so. The Missour4 will tell you outright, without WyBHA they would have not fought this. The thanks goes to a combined effort and 2100 sportsmen/women and other outdoor recreationists that contributed to opening up public access to public lands. The good guys won, and won big...I really hope Fred files that appeal. Either way, the genie is out of the bottle and there's no putting it back. Public land owners want access to THEIR public land, and we're getting that access. Bullshit. Post your phone number, well get on a call with the Missouri4 and see who's bullshitting and who isn't. Hell, we can get Semerad, their lead attorney on the call too... Your bluff has been called, junior.
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Well, while the cuunts that will never hunt out west bitch, piss, moan and pick at buzz, I thank buzz, the bha, everyone that donated to the cause, and the Missouri 4.
The miserable fuucks that do nothing but bitch and whine, keep it up, “back east” is a great place for you cuunts.👊🏻😘 Been hunting "Out West" my entire life. I never had to trespass to keep the freezer filled. There's a lot of public ground available without infringing on other's rights. I'll leave the infringing to the growing crop of Communists. Corner crossing isn't trespassing in Wyoming and isn't infringing on anyone.
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