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Buzzy is a master bullschit artist as well as a loser

Not a problem. The Constitution requires payment of true value. What is it worth to you to get back there?

And do I as a taxpayer want to pay for that taking so you and three of your buddies can hunt on some little bit of remote real estate?

I'm all for paying the landowner a fair price for the easement using their tax appraisals.

Now you are attempting to twist the system for your benefit. How much is it worth to YOU, to gain easement over HIS property. That is the appropriate price.

Good grief!

The Creator is on board with denying public land access.

Reach harder. That's ludicrous.

That's not the way it works with eminent domain and you know that damn good and well. I've been through this before and you take what the government "courts" decide not what you think it's worth.

That isn't how an easement in to public property works.

It is possible that since the land was seized for a public purpose, and has not been used for that purpose, it could revert back to the original owners or their heirs.

Title 49 US Code 40103 says:
“The United States Government has exclusive sovereignty of airspace of the United States. A citizen of the United States has a public right of transit through the navigable airspace.”

WTF are we arguing about?

I haven’t been interested enough to read all the links and what not. But apparently if you imagine a checkerboard pattern scenario where two public tract corners meet, is it legal to step directly over the corner from one tract to the next? I guess in the theory you could precisely do it without stepping on private property . In the real world private property gets used to a degree to accomplish this. I’m not sure if this is the crux, but it seems it is from certain posts.

The first pdf document that comes up when using the search query "corner crossing" on BLM's site pertains to BLM land in Wyoming. From that document:

"What does the law say with
regard to corner crossing?

There is no specific state or federal
laws regarding corner crossings. Corner
crossings in the checkerboard land pattern
area or elsewhere are not considered legal
public access."

Not only is that not "definitive" it doesn't even make sense according to how US law works.

I feel real sorry for the guys selling their ranches at such high prices that only Hollywood elites or Bill Gates can afford them. Need more of the peoples land access to get more money. Boo boo. Edk

2'nd. If the landowner wishes to fence it, as you say, the public has a right to see the surveys that establish the the fence lines, just as I would have the right to see the survey if someone wanted to fence the boundary to my property, especially if their fences are restricting access to my property. And, considering trespass, the landowner doing the fencing better make sure they are tighter than the proverbial Dick's hatband so that when a stiff breeze blows no portion, not even a point of a barb on the razor wire intrudes into the public airspace. And oh, let's not forget the necessity of No Trespassing signage rules in some states. The landowner may have to go to some expense to cover those costs too.

3rd. It may perhaps be precedential. Good, if it opens other areas of public land to public use that have been co-opted by private landowners for their own use. Perhaps, BLM and USFS have been wrong in their interpretation "since inception".

4th, foot in the door? Perhaps, and those other issues you mention can then be fought in court as is the prerogative of the People. Buzz may perhaps get his take....Capitalizm at it's finest?

5th. Assuming Bruen threw out bad law, then why not assume this decision is throwing out "bad law" or perhaps a bad interpretation that has been around and never (successfully?) challenged before. As I mentioned earlier, no law is "settled" as we have seen multiple times in history. Never forget "bad" is one person's view, "good" another's.

6th. So have judges and attorneys done so with almost every law on the books, whether the law was overturned or upheld. It's the nature of that beast, the Judicial System. Shall we toss that system and let appointed Agency heads of BLM and USFS make the rules without judicial oversight?

7th. ??? Really? How would one accomplish that? First, notwithstanding your "desire" to reach another parcel, do you have permission to do so? The public land in question in this case required no permission from the Govt for the hunters to access and use it for their intended purposes. Perhaps, in regards to the postage stamp yards or estates you mention, one might gain permission from the two adjoining property owners to cross on a corner of mine, or anyone else's property, and somehow manage to not actually touch any of our properties? Use the ladder trick? I do suppose, on a fenced corner of my property, if the azz hat neighbors behind me (there are none, I'm surrounded by public land) had a party and wanted someone from across the corner to come to their party, if said someone erected a ladder on the corner without touching my property there wouldn't be much I could say. Oh my, their hand crossed into my airspace???

Buzzy came out the closet and announced his re-election campaign

Well well well.

A genuine BLM document saying there is no specific state or fed law. In other words, it's all been interpretation of other statutes perhaps?

You've got the gist of it.

regarding the " private property gets used to a degree to accomplish this." part..................in most cases the only private property being used it the airspace around a dot on the ground.

Imagine an intersection of lines on the ground. Could you step from one side of the corner to the other without stepping on any of the two areas to the sides of you?

I think that was covered in one of the articles that I read. Something was quoted by the court in the late 1800s that denied the landowners the right to block access at the corners. I was reading it on my phone though and travelling so I didnt get a chance to do much research.

Land without access causes many problems and should not exist. All parcels of land should have access to them, to be legally accessed by the pwners. Its a correction of errors in the past.

Good thinking Paul