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Used Leica, Swarovski, Zeiss.

Depends on how old they are, and not just due to use. There are new $400 binoculars today that beat some of the older "alphas." I know this due to having owned a bunch of Leica, Swarovski and Zeiss optics from the 1990s--including roof-prism binoculars made after "phase-correction coating" became common.

I agree 100%. An Athlon Midas UHD can be had for under $300 and it is amazing for the price. Easily on par with Viper HD's and many other $500 binos.


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Have your buddy go look at a pair of Zeiss conquest in 8 and 10 power not HD/ have 2 of each new in box from awhile ago that I bought in closeout from a big camera store in NY/ I was going to gift them to friends but forgot about them/ either one $400 each/ at the time they were discounted down from $659.00

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Originally Posted by JGRaider
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Used Leica, Swarovski, Zeiss.

Depends on how old they are, and not just due to use. There are new $400 binoculars today that beat some of the older "alphas." I know this due to having owned a bunch of Leica, Swarovski and Zeiss optics from the 1990s--including roof-prism binoculars made after "phase-correction coating" became common.

I agree 100%. An Athlon Midas UHD can be had for under $300 and it is amazing for the price. Easily on par with Viper HD's and many other $500 binos.

All this started happening pretty long ago. Was on a mule deer hunt in eastern Montana with a friend from Minnesota around 20 years ago. He was VERY proud of the brand-new "alpha" 10x40 he bought for the hunt--until I started seeing stuff he didn't through my Japanese 10x40. Eventually we switched binoculars, and he was disappointed to find my glass (which cost considerably less) also allowed him to see a little better....


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I am not very knowledgeable about binocular glass, but I will say this. My old Pentax 10x42 DCF WP binocular with phase coating that is made in Japan has kept me from experimenting. I bought these from camerland about 15 years ago (or more) I think.


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The 10x42 DCF WP was about as good as it got--and still ranks right up there.

Did an experiment some years ago with several friends. Covered up the names of a few binoculars with tape (including one "Euro Alpha") and had them look through 'em all, then choose the best. A 10x42 DCP WP got just about all the votes.....


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That is pretty amazing. I even got a rebate when I bought them. I don't remember what I paid for them, but it was probably around 300 bucks??

My son uses a Pentax 8x32 DCF WP with phase coating and made in Japan binocular. I bought those used (here I think) after being pleased with mine. His is a nice compact design being 8x32.

Thanks for the feedback JB


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You're welcome!

Actually Pentax (like a lot of optics companies, including today) didn't actually manufacture stuff. Instead they contracted with manufacturers. I would bet the DCF WPs were made by Light Optical, one of the finest optics factories in the world. They've been making optics for various companies since the 1950s--in recent years including some "alpha" companies.

Another example would be the Pentax rifle scopes that appeared around 20 years ago. They were actually made by the Colorado Burris factory--and in fact except for slight variations in bell-shape shape were obviously Burris Fullfield IIs, including the Ballisitic-Plex reticle--which Pentax called something else. This was admitted to me by one of their marketing guys, after I measured the length of a 3-9x40 Pentax and a 3-9x40 FFII made then--and compared the reticles on a target at 100 yards.


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John, are the Nikon Monarch 7 10x42 still rated highly among the sub $500 class.

Mine have certainly been nice.


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Originally Posted by Partagas
I would check out the Maven C1 option. My son has a pair and I am impressed.

I have the C1s also. Second this recommendation. Low light performance is pretty amazing. I felt they were a bargain at $400 (occasionally on sale 10% off).

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