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Arken has a nice sale going (also cameraland) and these are interesting to me. Looking at the 6-24 or 5-25 FFP and Christmas tree reticle. Thoughts if the price upgrade to the EP5 is worth it? Targets and prairie dogs in the future Thanks
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My understanding is that the main difference is the ED glass in the EP5. Have any of you had experience with both? What was your experience?
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The EP5 is optically superior
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Is the newer EPL4 glass the same as the EP5?
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There are several reviews on the differences in these scopes and all of them say pretty much the same thing- The SH4 is good glass for the money but the EP5 is superior in many ways.
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Arken has a nice sale going (also cameraland) and these are interesting to me. Looking at the 6-24 or 5-25 FFP and Christmas tree reticle. Thoughts if the price upgrade to the EP5 is worth it? Targets and prairie dogs in the future Thanks Depends. I have both, both are very good, both MOA. The 5-25 has beautiful ED glass and is very bright with that 56mm objective. It's just a pleasure to look through. The SH 6-24 doesn't have ED glass but is still quite good, especially for the price. Downside is weight...the 5-25 is 39oz and the SH 6-24 only a few oz lighter. Also they both have 34mm tubes. Arkens package deal is a can't miss bargain because their 34 rings are very nice, and you'll almost for sure want the throw lever. Arken is having a real good sale right now. The newer EPL series 6-24x50 is a lot lighter, about 16oz. less, and has ED glass. Beautiful optics, I have 4 of them......30mm tubes and I use Burris Signature Zee riings. But a couple of them have such a stiff zoom ring they do need the throw lever. Not a biggie. The Arken rings are beautiful and they're for a Picatinny rail, won't work on a Weaver style unless you enlarge the slots. Not difficult with Dremel or file. I use the Picatinny made by Hank's Precision Guns, which is absolutely great. The cross bolt on Burris rings are smaller than a Picatinny slot. But not a problem, just slide the ring forward a little 'til the cross bolt hits and cinch it down.
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Own three SH4s. Friend has the 34mm EP5. IMO, difference is not enough to warrant about 65% more money (34mm to 34mm).
See the appeal of the 30mm versions, but want all the adjustment range I can get for .22rf.
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Thanks for the replies. Just ordered the SH4 6-24x50 FFP from cameraland.
My current "best" scope is a vortex venom (which kills my older BSA) and I figure my eyes and experience won't see too terribly much difference between the two Arkens. So, going with the cheaper of the 2.
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I own/shoot them all. "Glass" makes literally zero fhuqks and "guts" are what matter MOST. Hint. The EP5 gives up close range parallax and erector travel,to the SH4 4-16x. I don't care for the 6-24x. Though the EP5 is (10) Mil's per revolution,which is more intuitive than (8). Hint. The 4-16x SH4 STEALS The Show. Hint. ![[Linked Image from imagizer.imageshack.com]](https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q70/923/0AMQ4t.jpg) The EPL4 is rather trite on erector travel,as 30mm tubes go(less than half of a SWFA 6/10X). Hint. As magnification goes up,"friendliness" diminishes and glass quickly becomes fhuqking fickle. All of the Arken reticles are killer and all track,repeat and hold zero. Hint...............
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I own/shoot them all. "Glass" makes literally zero fhuqks and "guts" are what matter MOST. Hint. Nobody that actually shoots thinks the glass quality doesn't matter. The Arken you're shilling sucks. You can buy better that tracks and doesn't look like hammered dogchitt at high power. The 5 is marginally better. But you do you.
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Sweetie, You are Drooling aloud...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!? I've a couple/few more 4-16's enroute,along with an Outlier 1-8" 7-08 spout. Google as you must. I'll open Mail here in a spell,as you set riveted. Hint. ![[Linked Image from imagizer.imageshack.com]](https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q70/922/tNBLL5.jpg) Pardon wares that exist,as you Pretend aloud,while "shooting" your mouth and Imagination. Hint. ![[Linked Image from imagizer.imageshack.com]](https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q70/922/6heJCE.jpg) Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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Sweetie, You are Drooling aloud...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!? I've a couple/few more 4-16's enroute,along with an Outlier 1-8" 7-08 spout. Google as you must. I'll open Mail here in a spell,as you set riveted. Hint. ![[Linked Image from imagizer.imageshack.com]](https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q70/922/tNBLL5.jpg) Pardon wares that exist,as you Pretend aloud,while "shooting" your mouth and Imagination. Hint. ![[Linked Image from imagizer.imageshack.com]](https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q70/922/6heJCE.jpg) Fhuqking LAUGHING!.............. Um, we already know you love cheap chi-com glass, but thanks for more pictures I guess. I can't post pics of either, because they sucked enough I gave them away. At least your Athlon Helos 2-12 reccomendation is usable.
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You are sucking the wrong ass...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!? Fortunately for you,Imagination and Pretend are free,so even YOU can "afford" to "contribute". Pardon wares that exist,as you Pretend aloud. Hint. ![[Linked Image from imagizer.imageshack.com]](https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q70/923/YszwjZ.jpg) I'll feign my GREAT "surprise!" that you greedily read my EVERY word and ogle all my Splendid Pixels,as you "live" vicariously. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!.....................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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I've got a 4-16 EP5. Tracks and holds zero perfectly. My only complaint would be that the eyebox is not very forgiving if your rest is not optimal. Other than that, it was money well spent.
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The Arken Sale has been extended through the end of the month 
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Just ordered one from today. 5x25-56 ep5 only, not the package deal. Thanks again for the sale Doug.
What is the consensus on their 34mm rings? I didnt order the rings yet because I wanted to check clearance with my barrel to make sure I get the correct height. Are the arken rings good? Or should I look for a different set?
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Their rings are killer too. Hint……..
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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The Halo rings are about as good as they get. They are heck for stout
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Looks like scope will be here Tuesday according to tracking. I'll measure then hit Doug back up again and order the right height rings.
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Ordered another SH4 4-16 for an AR 224 Valkyrie I just finished . Looked for a cantilever scope mount but I guess Doug doesn't carry them? Looking forward to getting out and giving the new toy a whirl...
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Ordered another SH4 4-16 for an AR 224 Valkyrie I just finished . Looked for a cantilever scope mount but I guess Doug doesn't carry them? Looking forward to getting out and giving the new toy a whirl... Link to Cantilver Scope Mounts we carry
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What height of rings for each of these? I have a set of Warne mountain 34mm medium, think they would work for the 56mm, but too high for the 50mm. Any help would be appreciated
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Ring height will depend upon base selection,barrel contour and stock design. Hint.................
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Thanks Doug- couldn't find them when I searched earlier...
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Warne mountain tech 0 MOA base, Bartlein 2b barrel, McM edge classic M700 stock.
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Nice blueprint. I'd go low's and medium's respectively. Hint.......................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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Thanks much, going to order one of each.
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Thanks Doug- couldn't find them when I searched earlier... Always feel free to call us so we can assist personally
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In the wee hours this morning I placed an order for an SH4 GEN2 4-16x50mm FFP MIL VPR and a set of Halo rings. It looks like it'll be a lot of fun for very little money.
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EP5 just arrived. I must say, the glass is really good considering the price range. And if it tracks as good as everyone has mentioned, the this is a winner. Now I just need my rifle to come in so I can get the ring height.
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Really thinking about giving one at try
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Really thinking about giving one at try Sale runs through Monday at midnight. Nows a great time to grab Arken scopes and accessories.
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Today is the last day of this Arken Sale so don't miss out
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