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......and therefore must ramp up arms production quickly, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said. “NATO is not looking for war with Russia. But we have to prepare ourselves for a confrontation that could last decades,” Stoltenberg warned this weekend in an interview with Germany’s Welt am Sonntag newspaper. Thus, the NATO chief called for Western nations to increase production of weapons and ammunition, claiming that this is the only way in which Europe’s safety can be guaranteed and for Ukraine, which is not a member of the alliance, to continue its war with Russia. European market economies need to ink more deals with defence contractors, Stoltenberg proclaimed while urging that “they need to be signed faster”. “The economy and industrial strength of the West far dwarfs that of Russia. So we have the means to surpass Russia in both production and investment,” the former Norwegian prime minister said, explaining that if the current opportunity is missed, Russia would benefit and Europe’s security would be at risk. The best defence for Europe then, he argued, is to invest in the militaries of Ukrainian and NATO members, saying: “Deterrence only works if it is credible. As long as we invest in our own security and remain united, we will continue to deter any form of aggression.” BreitbartThis man has just redefined the term "Forever Wars". Fire-up the MIC full blast. It's obvious no leaders in the West are interested in peace. There is no profit in peace for these people. Truth of the matter is they want to smash Russia's oil production. Necessary to turn the world "green". Trump is the only leader who can fix this.![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/Bb12P6cm/NATOGen.jpg)
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. Trump is the only leader who can fix this. They sound as of they know Trump will not be elected President
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. Trump is the only leader who can fix this. They sound as of they know Trump will not be elected President Wanna bet?
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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I was listening on Breitbart and they were saying the US and Greece are the only two Nato countries that have met their financial requirements of 2% of GDP since 2014. US is average around 3.6, way more than required. Yet countries like Germany who is one of the richest countries over there has fallen behind and military is a 1/3 of what it was since the cold war. They simply know the US will pay the difference.
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. Trump is the only leader who can fix this. They sound as of they know Trump will not be elected President Wanna bet? On what? What they know, or if Trump will become President?
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The latter. The former is bullshit. Russia couldn't fight it's way out of a wet paper bag..
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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The latter. The former is bullshit. Russia couldn't fight it's way out of a wet paper bag.. Huh, I never said anything about Russia’s Military capabilities.
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I was listening on Breitbart and they were saying the US and Greece are the only two Nato countries that have met their financial requirements of 2% of GDP since 2014. US is average around 3.6, way more than required. Yet countries like Germany who is one of the richest countries over there has fallen behind and military is a 1/3 of what it was since the cold war. They simply know the US will pay the difference. One of the many reasons to give nato the finger and pull out. Let them fuggers deal with their own messes
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Thought - the 2% GDP, should that metric still be used? I mean - the easiest way for NATO countries to meet it is to buy US weapons at a fat price. Should the metric change to "You need to make an entire Corps available"?
US adding 2% is quite a bit more than Greece adding 2% to the pot but a Corps or 2 etc - that's even.
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. Trump is the only leader who can fix this. They sound as of they know Trump will not be elected President Wanna bet? On what? What they know, or if Trump will become President? They are only hoping.
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I was listening on Breitbart and they were saying the US and Greece are the only two Nato countries that have met their financial requirements of 2% of GDP since 2014. US is average around 3.6, way more than required. Yet countries like Germany who is one of the richest countries over there has fallen behind and military is a 1/3 of what it was since the cold war. They simply know the US will pay the difference. Im.so glad to hear our government is spending so much more of our money on Black Rock and Wall Streets Military/Industrial Complex. I'm sure Larry Fink, the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds and Soros are very appreciative.
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Ecc 10:2
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A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
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......and therefore must ramp up arms production quickly, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said. “NATO is not looking for war with Russia. But we have to prepare ourselves for a confrontation that could last decades,” Stoltenberg warned this weekend in an interview with Germany’s Welt am Sonntag newspaper. Thus, the NATO chief called for Western nations to increase production of weapons and ammunition, claiming that this is the only way in which Europe’s safety can be guaranteed and for Ukraine, which is not a member of the alliance, to continue its war with Russia. European market economies need to ink more deals with defence contractors, Stoltenberg proclaimed while urging that “they need to be signed faster”. “The economy and industrial strength of the West far dwarfs that of Russia. So we have the means to surpass Russia in both production and investment,” the former Norwegian prime minister said, explaining that if the current opportunity is missed, Russia would benefit and Europe’s security would be at risk. The best defence for Europe then, he argued, is to invest in the militaries of Ukrainian and NATO members, saying: “Deterrence only works if it is credible. As long as we invest in our own security and remain united, we will continue to deter any form of aggression.” BreitbartThis man has just redefined the term "Forever Wars". Fire-up the MIC full blast. It's obvious no leaders in the West are interested in peace. There is no profit in peace for these people. Truth of the matter is they want to smash Russia's oil production. Necessary to turn the world "green". Trump is the only leader who can fix this.Decades? Not at this tempo. Decades where it looks something like the Korean DMZ minus the US boots, sure that could happen. But he's correct about Europe needing to up their game. The most stuff you have the someone else might want, the more you need to spend on defense. On a historical basis, 2% is not enough.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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......and therefore must ramp up arms production quickly, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said. “NATO is not looking for war with Russia. But we have to prepare ourselves for a confrontation that could last decades,” Stoltenberg warned this weekend in an interview with Germany’s Welt am Sonntag newspaper. Thus, the NATO chief called for Western nations to increase production of weapons and ammunition, claiming that this is the only way in which Europe’s safety can be guaranteed and for Ukraine, which is not a member of the alliance, to continue its war with Russia. European market economies need to ink more deals with defence contractors, Stoltenberg proclaimed while urging that “they need to be signed faster”. “The economy and industrial strength of the West far dwarfs that of Russia. So we have the means to surpass Russia in both production and investment,” the former Norwegian prime minister said, explaining that if the current opportunity is missed, Russia would benefit and Europe’s security would be at risk. The best defence for Europe then, he argued, is to invest in the militaries of Ukrainian and NATO members, saying: “Deterrence only works if it is credible. As long as we invest in our own security and remain united, we will continue to deter any form of aggression.” BreitbartThis man has just redefined the term "Forever Wars". Fire-up the MIC full blast. It's obvious no leaders in the West are interested in peace. There is no profit in peace for these people. Truth of the matter is they want to smash Russia's oil production. Necessary to turn the world "green". Trump is the only leader who can fix this.Ah What’s Up Doc . Seems to Me we’ve been at War with Russia for Decades already.. Just cuz Hilarious brought our Attention to Russia doesn’t change our ongoing History of Struggle..
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The latter. The former is bullshit. Russia couldn't fight it's way out of a wet paper bag.. Huh, I never said anything about Russia’s Military capabilities. I was referencing the article. My bet to you is whether Trump will be re-elected. I say yes..
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......and therefore must ramp up arms production quickly, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said. “NATO is not looking for war with Russia. But we have to prepare ourselves for a confrontation that could last decades,” Stoltenberg warned this weekend in an interview with Germany’s Welt am Sonntag newspaper. Thus, the NATO chief called for Western nations to increase production of weapons and ammunition, claiming that this is the only way in which Europe’s safety can be guaranteed and for Ukraine, which is not a member of the alliance, to continue its war with Russia. European market economies need to ink more deals with defence contractors, Stoltenberg proclaimed while urging that “they need to be signed faster”. “The economy and industrial strength of the West far dwarfs that of Russia. So we have the means to surpass Russia in both production and investment,” the former Norwegian prime minister said, explaining that if the current opportunity is missed, Russia would benefit and Europe’s security would be at risk. The best defence for Europe then, he argued, is to invest in the militaries of Ukrainian and NATO members, saying: “Deterrence only works if it is credible. As long as we invest in our own security and remain united, we will continue to deter any form of aggression.” BreitbartThis man has just redefined the term "Forever Wars". Fire-up the MIC full blast. It's obvious no leaders in the West are interested in peace. There is no profit in peace for these people. Truth of the matter is they want to smash Russia's oil production. Necessary to turn the world "green". Trump is the only leader who can fix this.Ah What’s Up Doc . Seems to Me we’ve been at War with Russia for Decades already.. Just cuz Hilarious brought our Attention to Russia doesn’t change our ongoing History of Struggle.. Since September 3rd, 1945.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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I'm not sure whether Zelensky will survive the next two months much less several decades. As for the war; It's over.
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......and therefore must ramp up arms production quickly, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said.
“NATO is not looking for war with Russia. But we have to prepare ourselves for a confrontation that could last decades,” Stoltenberg warned this weekend in an interview with Germany’s Welt am Sonntag newspaper. I'm sure Jens will do everything in his power to extend conflict for as long as possible.
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Oceania and Eurasia must remain in perpetual conflict.
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Translation to American middle class: start writing bigger tax checks to the US/UN government.
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BS. A NATO war with Russia will last a few minutes.
I am..........disturbed.
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