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Just put the fan on them to dry a little before half smoking and canning


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I love my little chief smoker. I have used it so many times that I don't even have to add wood. I'm doing a small batch or she doing. What's the difference between this retort thing?
And my limb vacuum seal. What I'm in, is it foil pouches? Anything I really want?
To save in the freezer gets wrapped in a foil.Anyway that really retards crap fromburn here


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Chitina reds.
Bellies and strips. Brined then allowed to crust. Weather has been cooperative.
Put in cold smoker tomorrow, Monday. Couple days of cottonwood smoke. Vacuum bagged and in the freezer.

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Originally Posted by Huntster
Originally Posted by Sitka deer
........There are some basic concerns you need to address to make things easy which most folks do not realize.

Well, that didn't take long. The internet, properly utilized, is a wonderful tool. I quickly found the following website using keywords that included the model of my Vacmaster 215:

https://diypreparedness.net/make-your-own-mres-with-retort-canning/

This one even featured a pic of a pressure cooker that looks exactly like mine, too. I found a few links to the Alaska Outdoors Forum, but they focused on preserving salmon more than meals ready to eat. It all looks pretty much like I would imagine as a veteran fish canner. As an MRE eater since their invention (I was a C-ration eater on active Army duty), I suspected that some meal types would be better in retort pouches than others. Like you posted about your bear chili, stews/cassarole type meals featuring diced meats would probably work best, especially for a novice with retort pouches like me. I'm mostly interested in bivouac meals, not base camp meals.

Can you comment on this website? Any other advice or tips?

Thanks in advance.

Bluntly, lose the link...

You CAN do it with the rattle weight but minor changes will leave you cleaning a very dirty pressure cooker...

A pressure gauge and a pressure relief valve (plus the rubber plug pop-off) will not lose pressure through anything except temperature. A true retort (usually medical uses) maintains pressure by adding some fluid to maintain pressure even though the temperature is falling. The stuff in the bag needs to cool down without dropping the pressure.

I hope that was clear... but here comes the reason. The bags are way oversize so they do not pop as they cool with very hot stuff inside and pressure dropping to atmospheric. By producing a true retort cooker I hope to use the same bags with far more stuff in them.


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Originally Posted by martentrapper
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Chitina reds.
Bellies and strips. Brined then allowed to crust. Weather has been cooperative.
Put in cold smoker tomorrow, Monday. Couple days of cottonwood smoke. Vacuum bagged and in the freezer.
There I was with my head hung to the side trying to sus out the details of your rig... when a pink umbrella rose up in the imagine (God! I hope it is an umbrella!) and distracted the Hell out of me!


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Originally Posted by Sitka deer
........A pressure gauge and a pressure relief valve (plus the rubber plug pop-off) will not lose pressure through anything except temperature. A true retort (usually medical uses) maintains pressure by adding some fluid to maintain pressure even though the temperature is falling. The stuff in the bag needs to cool down without dropping the pressure.

I hope that was clear.......

Huh. Kinda'. The link mentioned the pressure during cool off and stressed the importance of letting the bags cool well beyond an hour or two after full cooker pressure drop, and I understand that.

Did you retrofit your cooker with some sort of adjustable pressure relief valve to replace the rattle weight? And that maintains pressure even after cooling?


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Started the smoking. Cold smoke for a couple days.

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Originally Posted by Huntster
Originally Posted by Sitka deer
........A pressure gauge and a pressure relief valve (plus the rubber plug pop-off) will not lose pressure through anything except temperature. A true retort (usually medical uses) maintains pressure by adding some fluid to maintain pressure even though the temperature is falling. The stuff in the bag needs to cool down without dropping the pressure.

I hope that was clear.......

Huh. Kinda'. The link mentioned the pressure during cool off and stressed the importance of letting the bags cool well beyond an hour or two after full cooker pressure drop, and I understand that.

Did you retrofit your cooker with some sort of adjustable pressure relief valve to replace the rattle weight? And that maintains pressure even after cooling?
My intent is to refine a manual system I am currently using.

The link mentions her solo adventure into retort bags and she got lucky. I have hundreds of bags in a large number of batches behind me over quite a few years. Her lack of experience shows in other places.


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Originally Posted by martentrapper
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Started the smoking. Cold smoke for a couple days.

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Cold Smoked Salmon RULES
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Started the smoking. Cold smoke for a couple days.

Cold Smoked Salmon RULES martentrapper!

I did an Atlantic Salmon fillet last week, I used a cure of Kosher Salt, Light Brown Sugar and Dill for the Brine.

I Cured it for 48 hours before Cold Smoking it. I then Cold Smoked the salmon for about 8 hours, I found it a little too salty.

How long do you dry brine yours for, and how do you brine yours, or do you just Cold Smoke? I am thinking 24 hours of Brine is enough.

I thought it was going to be way more complicated than that, but with a few adjustments I hope to figure it out, so I can make the best Cold Smoked Salmon.

It's amazing what it costs at the store, cold smoking salmon at home costs a fraction of the price compared to buying it and it's sooooooooooooooooooooooo Good!

Cheers and happy Smoking!


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Brine time has a HUGE effect on the saltyness of the fish.
I do a dry brine similar to yours 1 part salt to 4 parts brown sugar with a few extras added, but I only brine for about 12 hours.

I had a friend who did a wet brine that you only brined for "7 minutes, never more than 7 minutes" his was good too.


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20 min With the wet brine I use.


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To some extent brine time is dependent upon how salty the brine is and how salty you want the fish. You need some salt in fish you cold smoke to prevent spoiling, since no heat is used.
I do wet brine and I went too lite on salt in the liquid. I actually took the strip and bellies out this morning and sprinkled salt on them, for flavor. I use a brown sugar/salt brine.
The dill idea interests me. I have attempted, unsuccessfully, to get a jalapeño flavor into the fish. I need to try again. Likely, jarring the straps after smoking is the time to get the jalapeño flavor in.

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Brine time vs. brine concentration is the eternal question, and one that caused every batch to end up somewhere on a very broad spectrum.

Sitka deer was kind enough to share his method with me. Every batch is just right and consistent now.


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Originally Posted by ironbender
Brine time vs. brine concentration is the eternal question, and one that caused every batch to end up somewhere on a very broad spectrum.

Sitka deer was kind enough to share his method with me. Every batch is just right and consistent now.

I used that recipe last year to do some smoked/canned salmon. Yep, turned out pretty dam good.


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Originally Posted by martentrapper
To some extent brine time is dependent upon how salty the brine is and how salty you want the fish. You need some salt in fish you cold smoke to prevent spoiling, since no heat is used.
I do wet brine and I went too lite on salt in the liquid. I actually took the strip and bellies out this morning and sprinkled salt on them, for flavor. I use a brown sugar/salt brine.
The dill idea interests me. I have attempted, unsuccessfully, to get a jalapeño flavor into the fish. I need to try again. Likely, jarring the straps after smoking is the time to get the jalapeño flavor in.

Thank you for the advise martentrapper, appreciated.

The Dry Brine I used was equal parts Kosher Salt and Light Brown Sugar, with lots of Dill Weed and I cure it that way for 48 hours before Cold Smoking for 6 hours.

I am doing another one in a couple of days, I am going to add cracked Coriander Seeds and Lemon Rind to the cure. This time I will cure it for 24 hours and Cold smoke it for 12 hours.

It costs about 75% less doing it yourself then buying it at the store and it is AMAZING. I can eat that fish ALL DAY LONG LOL.

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