So you never handled your DLP legally because you were scared due to the experience of another person? Just seeking clarification.
You sound nice. The deal with my buddy happened several years after mine, so no I wasn't "scared" because of that experience. Only meant as an example, of far too many, of the hassle of dealing with people. Kinda like now with you. Everyone is an expert on what happened, even tho they weren't there. Better to live and let die. Of course, I may just be making up a story, can't believe everything you read on the internet...
Objectively, I tend to lend credibility to Alaskans who have lived or have hunted in Alaska/Canada MT/WY over other sources on Alaskan bear incidents.
Any that muddy the water with irrelevant statements are dismissed. YOU were not there.
Last summer near Prescott, AZ. a cabin owner was mauled and killed by a black bear. Four years ago a WY guide was killed by a sow grizzly when the guide and hunter returned to the elk bow kill. Grizzly and half-grown cub had taken over the elk kill. Guide left wife and chldren. It happens in the lower-48 also.
When moose or bear/deer/caribou hunting, I carry a Colt New Service with RCMP lanyard along with a 348 or 450 Alaskan Winchester M-71. Bears in poor crop years have no sense of humor and are hungry. With cubs, a grizzly sow in most cases is not a Sierra Club member and wants you gone. It just takes one incident of bad luck, aggressive bear, poor planning or bad judgment to drop you off the food chain.
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena-not the critic"-T. Roosevelt There are no atheists in fox holes or in the open doors of a para's aircraft.....
Objectively, I tend to lend credibility to Alaskans who have lived or have hunted in Alaska/Canada MT/WY over other sources on Alaskan bear incidents.
Any that muddy the water with irrelevant statements are dismissed. YOU were not there.
Last summer near Prescott, AZ. a cabin owner was mauled and killed by a black bear. Four years ago a WY guide was killed by a sow grizzly when the guide and hunter returned to the elk bow kill. Grizzly and half-grown cub had taken over the elk kill. Guide left wife and chldren. It happens in the lower-48 also.
When moose or bear/deer/caribou hunting, I carry a Colt New Service with RCMP lanyard along with a 348 or 450 Alaskan Winchester M-71. Bears in poor crop years have no sense of humor and are hungry. With cubs, a grizzly sow in most cases is not a Sierra Club member and wants you gone. It just takes one incident of bad luck, aggressive bear, poor planning or bad judgment to drop you off the food chain.
From what I read, Tad's horrific demise was because of poor planning.
My policy in bear country, get the meat out same day and ASAP, because where I hunt in Alberta Grizz are protected and have no fear of man. They hear a shot, they know there is at least a gut pile with bones to munch on.
I have been told by friends that have hunted Sitka Deer that they are tiny, a few lbs. of meat isn't worth dying for.
Leave the guts and carcass there for the critters to feed on, and DON'T GO BACK.
I was going to stay out of this conversation. However, decided to say something important. I once had a large male Alaska Coastal Brown Bear on top of me (or could be said "over" me) for about 18 to 20 minutes. I remained motionless for the time, taking half breaths. Moving only my eyes. I was not hurt in any way. So, my point is as hard as that was, I knew it was my only hope of not being mauled to death. Remining motionless is hard, very hard, but it can and did work.
ALASKA is a "HARD COUNTRY for OLDMEN". (But if you live it wide'ass open, balls'to the wall, the pedal floored, full throttle, it is a delightful place, to finally just sit-back and savor those memories while sipping Tequila).
First of all does it make a difference, arms, legs, cock or balls first?
Anyway you slice it, being eaten alive by a bear isn't good. Secondly it was not my study, it was a study I read. I have only repeated what I read from a forensic analysis, which I read years ago to educate myself.
As stated I have killed many bears, and I treat every bear as a potential man eater. One that attacked me, when I was bow hunting them back in the day, didn't realize I had a shotgun as well as my bow with me and for that mistake, I blew his head off with my shotgun at point blank range.
Better to be sitting On Them, than In Them!
Any pics of the bear you killed with the shotgun? Just curious and what ammo choice.
I hate that any bear has to be killed in DLP situations but it happens. And its much better than the human dying. I"m around bears a lot during about 6-7 months a year. I"m not at all paranoid of them but I do carry at least a 9mm all the time. At least I really try to have a gun with me constantly regardless just in case. I'm probably 99% good at it. The 9mm did just fine on one black bear destroying our camp. I had another try to rip a tent off me, but I deferred, I try like heck not to shoot a bear when I have clients. Its just a mess of paperwork and a kind of PITA I try to avoid so I crawled out of the now fly less tent with one hole from claws into the tent itself and had quite the discussion with that bear to get it to leave that night. Had it come back that night I probably would have shot it. Thankfully it was 2 nights before it came back and I heard it, and managed to punch it through the tent who knows what it was going to do that night. It never came back after I made contact with it.
Another guide had a similar issue. Once contact was made the bear left the area.
RIP to the hunt and prayers to his family and friends.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
I once had (7) "SEVEN" Alaska Coastal Brown Bears in camp all night. I worked constantly to keep pushing them out, to frustrating not going to happen, so I went to bed.
ALASKA is a "HARD COUNTRY for OLDMEN". (But if you live it wide'ass open, balls'to the wall, the pedal floored, full throttle, it is a delightful place, to finally just sit-back and savor those memories while sipping Tequila).
Objectively, I tend to lend credibility to Alaskans who have lived or have hunted in Alaska/Canada MT/WY over other sources on Alaskan bear incidents.
Any that muddy the water with irrelevant statements are dismissed. YOU were not there.
Last summer near Prescott, AZ. a cabin owner was mauled and killed by a black bear. Four years ago a WY guide was killed by a sow grizzly when the guide and hunter returned to the elk bow kill. Grizzly and half-grown cub had taken over the elk kill. Guide left wife and chldren. It happens in the lower-48 also.
When moose or bear/deer/caribou hunting, I carry a Colt New Service with RCMP lanyard along with a 348 or 450 Alaskan Winchester M-71. Bears in poor crop years have no sense of humor and are hungry. With cubs, a grizzly sow in most cases is not a Sierra Club member and wants you gone. It just takes one incident of bad luck, aggressive bear, poor planning or bad judgment to drop you off the food chain.
From what I read, Tad's horrific demise was because of poor planning.
My policy in bear country, get the meat out same day and ASAP, because where I hunt in Alberta Grizz are protected and have no fear of man. They hear a shot, they know there is at least a gut pile with bones to munch on.
I have been told by friends that have hunted Sitka Deer that they are tiny, a few lbs. of meat isn't worth dying for.
Leave the guts and carcass there for the critters to feed on, and DON'T GO BACK.
Just stop. He was known and armchair quarterbacking does no one any good.
Objectively, I tend to lend credibility to Alaskans who have lived or have hunted in Alaska/Canada MT/WY over other sources on Alaskan bear incidents.
Any that muddy the water with irrelevant statements are dismissed. YOU were not there.
Last summer near Prescott, AZ. a cabin owner was mauled and killed by a black bear. Four years ago a WY guide was killed by a sow grizzly when the guide and hunter returned to the elk bow kill. Grizzly and half-grown cub had taken over the elk kill. Guide left wife and chldren. It happens in the lower-48 also.
When moose or bear/deer/caribou hunting, I carry a Colt New Service with RCMP lanyard along with a 348 or 450 Alaskan Winchester M-71. Bears in poor crop years have no sense of humor and are hungry. With cubs, a grizzly sow in most cases is not a Sierra Club member and wants you gone. It just takes one incident of bad luck, aggressive bear, poor planning or bad judgment to drop you off the food chain.
From what I read, Tad's horrific demise was because of poor planning.
My policy in bear country, get the meat out same day and ASAP, because where I hunt in Alberta Grizz are protected and have no fear of man. They hear a shot, they know there is at least a gut pile with bones to munch on.
I have been told by friends that have hunted Sitka Deer that they are tiny, a few lbs. of meat isn't worth dying for.
Leave the guts and carcass there for the critters to feed on, and DON'T GO BACK.
Just stop. He was known and armchair quarterbacking does no one any good.
I've killed 4 DLP bears; 2 with 12 ga slugs. One with a 308, one with a 44 mag. Paperwork done on all 4. A lot of work skinning all those bears that you can't keep.
Didn't mean to hijack this thread.
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Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't.
I still need to know what ammo to use to blow a bears head off. Wife did it to a deer once. surprised us. 300 wtby and 168 ballistic tips. I'd never seen that before or since. Fairly sure we have an old 35mm picture of that somewhere.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
First of all does it make a difference, arms, legs, cock or balls first?
Anyway you slice it, being eaten alive by a bear isn't good. Secondly it was not my study, it was a study I read. I have only repeated what I read from a forensic analysis, which I read years ago to educate myself.
As stated I have killed many bears, and I treat every bear as a potential man eater. One that attacked me, when I was bow hunting them back in the day, didn't realize I had a shotgun as well as my bow with me and for that mistake, I blew his head off with my shotgun at point blank range.
Better to be sitting On Them, than In Them!
Any pics of the bear you killed with the shotgun? Just curious and what ammo choice.
I hate that any bear has to be killed in DLP situations but it happens. And its much better than the human dying. I"m around bears a lot during about 6-7 months a year. I"m not at all paranoid of them but I do carry at least a 9mm all the time. At least I really try to have a gun with me constantly regardless just in case. I'm probably 99% good at it. The 9mm did just fine on one black bear destroying our camp. I had another try to rip a tent off me, but I deferred, I try like heck not to shoot a bear when I have clients. Its just a mess of paperwork and a kind of PITA I try to avoid so I crawled out of the now fly less tent with one hole from claws into the tent itself and had quite the discussion with that bear to get it to leave that night. Had it come back that night I probably would have shot it. Thankfully it was 2 nights before it came back and I heard it, and managed to punch it through the tent who knows what it was going to do that night. It never came back after I made contact with it.
Another guide had a similar issue. Once contact was made the bear left the area.
RIP to the hunt and prayers to his family and friends.
Hi rost495, I do not have a picture because that bear I killed was dragged away by another bear overnight.
If you like I will tell you the full story, it was my first bear hunt, I didn't know what I was doing and it didn't go as planned.
I shot that bear in the top of the head with a 2 3/4 " Federal Power Shok, inches away from me. Very effective!
Don't cover yourself with Bacon Grease and Sow in Heat Scent when you go bear hunting lol
I was going to stay out of this conversation. However, decided to say something important. I once had a large male Alaska Coastal Brown Bear on top of me (or could be said "over" me) for about 18 to 20 minutes. I remained motionless for the time, taking half breaths. Moving only my eyes. I was not hurt in any way. So, my point is as hard as that was, I knew it was my only hope of not being mauled to death. Remining motionless is hard, very hard, but it can and did work.
One of our guides got knocked down by a teenager after a charge. He fought. And won. Not sure about tactics and thoughts but it worked for him. No bite. Nothing really. Bear didn't know what he had charged after 2 rifle warning shots.
Not sure I could stay still. OTOH if I had no way to win the battle I guess I could be motivated enough to stay still. I know I'd fight to the end on any black bear period.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
First of all does it make a difference, arms, legs, cock or balls first?
Anyway you slice it, being eaten alive by a bear isn't good. Secondly it was not my study, it was a study I read. I have only repeated what I read from a forensic analysis, which I read years ago to educate myself.
As stated I have killed many bears, and I treat every bear as a potential man eater. One that attacked me, when I was bow hunting them back in the day, didn't realize I had a shotgun as well as my bow with me and for that mistake, I blew his head off with my shotgun at point blank range.
Better to be sitting On Them, than In Them!
Any pics of the bear you killed with the shotgun? Just curious and what ammo choice.
I hate that any bear has to be killed in DLP situations but it happens. And its much better than the human dying. I"m around bears a lot during about 6-7 months a year. I"m not at all paranoid of them but I do carry at least a 9mm all the time. At least I really try to have a gun with me constantly regardless just in case. I'm probably 99% good at it. The 9mm did just fine on one black bear destroying our camp. I had another try to rip a tent off me, but I deferred, I try like heck not to shoot a bear when I have clients. Its just a mess of paperwork and a kind of PITA I try to avoid so I crawled out of the now fly less tent with one hole from claws into the tent itself and had quite the discussion with that bear to get it to leave that night. Had it come back that night I probably would have shot it. Thankfully it was 2 nights before it came back and I heard it, and managed to punch it through the tent who knows what it was going to do that night. It never came back after I made contact with it.
Another guide had a similar issue. Once contact was made the bear left the area.
RIP to the hunt and prayers to his family and friends.
Hi rost495, I do not have a picture because that bear I killed was dragged away by another bear overnight.
If you like I will tell you the full story, it was my first bear hunt, I didn't know what I was doing and it didn't go as planned.
I shot that bear in the top of the head with a 2 3/4 " Federal Power Shok, inches away from me. Very effective!
Don't cover yourself with Bacon Grease and Sow in Heat Scent when you go bear hunting lol
Power shock buckshot I'm guessing rather than a slug? Interesting choice. I could see that putting a dent in a head for sure. But I can't see it blowing it off. LOL. I'm sure you just over exaggerated that part.
And no, I would have NEVER thought to do sow and bacon grease for a bear hunt. ON my body. Not even sure how that would come to mind actually.
Glad ya survived.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
Anyone have more details? Sow/cub type thing? You just never know, got to stay vigilant in those parts. I've only been deer hunting once in SE and had to defend myself. Fortunately ended with a dead bear.
If you don’t mind sharing your bear attack, I would like to hear the story and details of how it happened and what you used to kill the bear.
Hunting deer on Kodiak island in 2008. I guess it was a bad berry year and the bears were grouchy. My buddy shot a deer up on the hillside, we dressed it and were packing meat down to the lake. I was in front, he was a few steps behind. I foolishly had my gun on my shoulder, had gotten tired hauling meat and busting through the thick stuff and put the gun on my shoulder instead of in my hands. I had a brief alert with breaking branches and shaking alders and he came busting out of the brush about 17' in front of me coming hard. I instinctively took a step back as I went to get rifle off my shoulder, tripped and went over backwards. My buddy shot him and he turned enough that he didn't run me over. We both unloaded on him until he quit moving. About a 3 yo male. Luckily it was nice and thick in there, so he likely turned into a few meals for his mates. We were both shooting .300 Win Mag. I think I may have a claw or two somewhere in the pile.
The craziest thing about this is that just days earlier we had gone to the site where Matt Sutton had been attacked. (His story made it into Outdoor Life, you can look it up. The youtube link below is his story.) We were working for Dean Andrews of Andrews Airways, remodeling some hanger space. Bill Bush was working with us, he is the guy in the story that was with Matt out there in Vikoda Bay. After Matt was attacked he dragged himself down to the water, leaving his pack behind. In his pack was his digital camera, glasses, etc. We decided to go out there and get his stuff for him. Bill wasn't interested in making that trip so he gave us directions as best he could to find the spot. Dean Andrews flew us out there and we trudged around until we found the site. It was pretty surreal. A 10'x10' area torn up, bits of camo hanging in the brush, blood, his pack and walking stick. Just imagining the scene made the hair stand up. I've got the pictures somewhere. He's a tough dude.
Bill was an incredible guy, tough old codger. He kept Matt alive for a few days until they finally made contact for rescue. It was a pretty ugly few days for them, he wasn't going to let Matt die out there. He had Matt's bloody clothes at the jobsite, one of those old school white thermal undershirts that was mostly red.
Anyway, with that scenario pretty fresh in mind, we didn't bother taking names or asking questions, just put that teenage son of a bitch in the dirt when he came calling.
Having spent many decades around brown bears, especially on Kodiak and the mainland across...
Ayway, there is way TOO much bullshit added by people with zero bear experience. There is virtually zero reality in the vast majority of the "tale."
Many. Hmm. Can't find definition, would have guessed normally that would mean something like 10 or more. At least double digits. Decade. 10 years. Man you are looking good for your age. Grins.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
First of all does it make a difference, arms, legs, cock or balls first?
Anyway you slice it, being eaten alive by a bear isn't good. Secondly it was not my study, it was a study I read. I have only repeated what I read from a forensic analysis, which I read years ago to educate myself.
As stated I have killed many bears, and I treat every bear as a potential man eater. One that attacked me, when I was bow hunting them back in the day, didn't realize I had a shotgun as well as my bow with me and for that mistake, I blew his head off with my shotgun at point blank range.
Better to be sitting On Them, than In Them!
Any pics of the bear you killed with the shotgun? Just curious and what ammo choice.
I hate that any bear has to be killed in DLP situations but it happens. And its much better than the human dying. I"m around bears a lot during about 6-7 months a year. I"m not at all paranoid of them but I do carry at least a 9mm all the time. At least I really try to have a gun with me constantly regardless just in case. I'm probably 99% good at it. The 9mm did just fine on one black bear destroying our camp. I had another try to rip a tent off me, but I deferred, I try like heck not to shoot a bear when I have clients. Its just a mess of paperwork and a kind of PITA I try to avoid so I crawled out of the now fly less tent with one hole from claws into the tent itself and had quite the discussion with that bear to get it to leave that night. Had it come back that night I probably would have shot it. Thankfully it was 2 nights before it came back and I heard it, and managed to punch it through the tent who knows what it was going to do that night. It never came back after I made contact with it.
Another guide had a similar issue. Once contact was made the bear left the area.
RIP to the hunt and prayers to his family and friends.
Hi rost495, I do not have a picture because that bear I killed was dragged away by another bear overnight.
If you like I will tell you the full story, it was my first bear hunt, I didn't know what I was doing and it didn't go as planned.
I shot that bear in the top of the head with a 2 3/4 " Federal Power Shok, inches away from me. Very effective!
Don't cover yourself with Bacon Grease and Sow in Heat Scent when you go bear hunting lol
Power shock buckshot I'm guessing rather than a slug? Interesting choice. I could see that putting a dent in a head for sure. But I can't see it blowing it off. LOL. I'm sure you just over exaggerated that part.
And no, I would have NEVER thought to do sow and bacon grease for a bear hunt. ON my body. Not even sure how that would come to mind actually.
Glad ya survived.
No it was a Slug! 2 3/4" Federal.
But after learning and I am a Self Taught Big Game Hunter, when I bow hunt in bear county now my Mossy 88 Maverick is loaded with 2 slugs followed by 3 - 3" Magnum 00 Federal Buckshot. 00 Buckshot is absolutely devastating, and if you shoot any bear in the face with 00, it isn't running through it.
I learned that after shooting a rather large bear with 2 - 2 3/4" slugs at 13 yards. That bear ran away and I actually thought I missed, because he ran into the bush right next to my bait barrel, he made it about 40 yards! When I gutted him both his lungs and liver were liquefied, still can believe he made it that far.
Close encounters < 10 yards 00 buckshot is the way to go IMHO.
Yes when I said "Blew his head off" I did not mean that his entire head came off. But basically his head was opened right up with most of his brains blown out, which I consider Blown off.
Dang, playing dead for that long would take nerves of steel.
My favorite bear story is Gene Moe. 69 yo badass that punched a bear in the nose and broke his neck. I think he stuck a knife in his neck a few times and was digging it around, they figure he must have done enough damage that when he punched it the neck broke.
Local pard here has a fun little story about 8? Brownies IIRC around black bear bait site, tree, and helping itself to the tree stand. There was an ursine fatality.
It’s been posted once or twice. Seems like this is a thread for an encore
hint, buddy.
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