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They seem to have a softer recoil than similar calibers at similar velocities. True or not it just feels that way. Others have told me the same thing. Just as accurate. Feed and eject like there is nothing there.

Benefits? They are easy to rechamber to 300 WBY...

That can be a bonus if 300 H&H ever disappears.

Compared to anything else shooting a 180 grain bullet at 3000 fps you'll find less recoil, exceptional accuracy and so much more panache than anything else you'll want to sit back, have a whiskey or gin and tonic and wonder why people ask these questions.

Beautiful rifle Pugs. I would rather have that than all the plastic 7mm08s and 6.5 Crapmores ever made.

LIKE....

I almost had moment when I thought you'd leaned the barrel directly against the rock! 😇🤣

That’s a beautiful picture with an even nicer rifle. Classic.

Awesome pic, Pugs

But realistically, panache is all you got there.

Sixty one years ago Winchester designed and released a fast .30 designed just for their Model 70 rifle. A year later they killed off the Model 70, effectively orphaning their new .300 Win Mag cartridge.
Despite being orphaned, the Win Mag flourished. It became commonplace across the planet, and this in both civilian and military usage

It's simpler and easier to build a performance rifle using the Win Mag cartridge, and the cartridge itself is easier to work with for the handloader..

That's still a cool pic, and anyone who just doesn't like Holland's Super Thirty likely won't fit well in any crowd of sportsmen

I think if I get another 200 rounds loaded I should be set for life....and my nieces life too. If new brass isn't worth $2 each then I will just keep it and load it.

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Not really, the 300 came out in the 20s and everyone loaded it with smokeless as well. You can load an H&H to similar velocities as the Winchester and the tapered case made for MUCH better EXTRACTION and the added advantages of the long neck to load heavier bullets. The Weatherby is a whole other story. And Nosler currently laods the H&H with 180 ABs

Like I've stated I'm a big fan of it. It kills stuff dead enough, recoils is reasonable, and besides that it's cool(to me). M70 1954 model.
I have a 300 WM I built on an Argentine 1909 action, full out blah blah..... I say it kills on both ends! Hardly ever shoot it any more.
My son has a 300 WBY in a ruger #1, same deal. Kills on both ends.
But as always, "Shoot what you like and shoot it well". That's really all that matters.

As for accuracy, it should be noted that the .300 H&H once stepped into the winner's circle on the national level, via The 1935 Wimbledon Cup match, and Ben Comforts Custom G&H 1917 rifle

I have or have had all the big 30s. None were terrible in the recoil dept. and I can't say I saw much difference in that area. But the H & H did feed really smoothly. I like them all.

OK, let's look at this from a performance standpoint.

.300 Win Mag load data (Nosler)

125 -grain bullets up to 3500 fps
220 - grain bullets up to 2750 fps
Max COL (22gr) 3.340”


.300 H&H Magnum (Nosler)

125-grain bullets up to 3600 fps
220- grain bullets up 2702 fps
Max COL 3.600”

I would struggle for anyone to find a whit of difference between those two sets of numbers for either paper or animals. Ok, a couple of points in the .300 WinMag favor

(1) I suspect with the sharper shoulder you get longer brass life but given we're all handloaders here, I suspect most of us neck size anyway and with 500 pieces of brass and my loads developed I can't imagine shooting it enough to kill all that brass given I'm 60 years old.

(2) You can likely build a .300 Win Mag rifle with a shorter action but if you're looking to save weight on either of these you must like recoil more than I do.

(3) On the .30 Supers favor, I still have panache as well as nostalgia and don't discount that! My M70 in the picture is a 1948 Super grade. You can find lighter rifles, you can find more weatherproof rifles and you can likely find more accurate rifles (although it shoots great) but what you can't find is rifles where, as you sit with your binoculars looking at view of the far hills, is the idea that this rifle has been in other hunters hands in the last 86 years sitting in similar places with the same hopes and dreams of hunting.

I suspect none of us hunt as much as we'd like so in many cases we spend a lot more time thinking about hunting, developing loads, reading, chatting about and simply day dreaming of being in the field again. For me the older cartridges still hold that mystique of our ancestors. Yes, I own an evil MSR (.300 Blackout with a suppressor) but it does nothing for me albeit it's fun to shoot and it was fun to develop loads for but I'm much more likely to pick up a .300 Savage, .257 Roberts, .275 Rigby, .270, .30-06 or the .300 when I head to the woods.

It's fun to talk about though isn't it?

It's what we do here...

I've got two, a Wiebe built on a 1909 Argentine and an Echols built on a Model 70. The Legend just came back from getting a new paint job on the stock and I haven't photo'd it yet but here's the '09.

That's what a rifle is supposed to look like.

Beautiful!!

Stunning