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End the Marshall Plan.

Tariff only products WE also make.

Use Tariffs to Drive Down Foreign Product prices, as well as Open Foreign Markets to Our Products.

Why the Founders put it in the Constitution, instead of Ass-douche Malcontent Democrat National Socialism/Communism.

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As long as the Federal Reserve (and other banks) are allowed to create money out of nothing there can be no free trade. Inflation is caused by the Federal Reserve!

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China runs their economy for one purpose only. To make communism seem to pay well!
Even though their people live in squalor, and havo no rights or freedoms, it look’s good from the outside. The government gets rich. That’s how communism works!
But you can’t tell young people here that. They know better, because they never had POD in school. They know very little about government or economy. They watch the news, drink the Koolaid, and don’t worry about anything.
Keeping yourself informed is too much effort.
That’s why I’m ranting about my boy.🙁 He freaking knows better, but he’s too busy living to worry about something he believes he has no control over anyway.
I’m older. I grew up in a free country. Those old Westerns taught me that one good guy can change the world. Right is always gonna triumph, and true love last forever!😀😳🤮
Im a freaking dinosaur!😀 If this country still produced dinosaurs like me, together we could turn it around! 😎
I have no desire to be a “lone nut gunman”. But if we all knew what I still believe, we’d have strung Joe Biden and his pals up in 2020!
Instead, us old dinosaurs are being replaced my young people who will go along with the program, because they can’t fix it and there’s no use worrying about it.🙁
I’m just an old man ranting on social media. The FBI is probably going to pay me a visit soon.
In a few years, it’ll be okay to round us up in boxcars and ship us off to God knows where.
After all, I’m a threat to democracy!
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Originally Posted by ERK
The cost of getting rid of illegals in the long run is nothing compared to the cost of keeping them. They have driven rent and housing cost up because 20 million people extra have to live someplace. Edk
Landlords set prices, not renters. Corporate housing purchases are driving rents up. 25% of homes are being purchased by investors. That's a big part of the problem. They are driving housing prices and therefore rent costs.

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The tariffs are going to be used as a bargaining chip and a threat. They won't be permanent. Hopefully, the threat of them alone will encourage companies to do business here and bring more jobs. Economists like to look at things one dimensionally as if only one factor changes at a time. Any inflation caused by tariffs will likely be offset by deflation due to deportations and lower enemy costs.


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Originally Posted by Tesoro
Thats the case atleast in Oregon.
yeah.

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Originally Posted by 19352012
Originally Posted by ERK
The cost of getting rid of illegals in the long run is nothing compared to the cost of keeping them. They have driven rent and housing cost up because 20 million people extra have to live someplace. Edk
Landlords set prices, not renters. Corporate housing purchases are driving rents up. 25% of homes are being purchased by investors. That's a big part of the problem. They are driving housing prices and therefore rent costs.


And the investors are buying up all the property and raising rents 20-50% is because the .gov state and federal are putting out big money to house 10-15 million newcomers. Economics 101



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Originally Posted by flintlocke
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
So...we should add tariffs instead of going more towards a free market?
Jim, It's not a free market when half or more of the globe does produce, or manufacture, or mine with no government regulation. American producers of anything you can name are regulated to death. We are NOT competitive in the global market. If we want to produce anything here in the US, unfortunately, tariffs are the answer. It's either that or roll back regulation, health and safety codes, OSHA, MSHA, Hazmat...I don't see that happening on a scale large enough to matter.



Flint,
You left out a critical part.

Free markets are a two way street.
40 years of us being Free Market, trading with those who aren't, has got us
where we are.



Many things that pop up fall between this and your issues.

Unions? Vs slave or damn near slave labor.
Maybe not when they moved to non union states, what about now?

Companies getting fat and lazy, stingy, not having competitive facilities?
Go back to them now outsourcing to countries with no EPA, no OSHA, slave wages...

I don't like tarries as a way to protect unfairly,
they can be used as a way to create a fair playing field.

American people, can hold our own.

We can't compete with a China that subsidizes it's businesses.
Pollutes, uses slave labor, kills them at work.....and imposes tariffs on things we try to import.


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Hopefully the number of younger voters that chose Trump in this election means they're starting to realize the BS they're being taught and the important things they're not being taught in the public school systems and universities.

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Originally Posted by Tesoro
Sometimes I wonder if Trump is a bit out of touch with what is going on on the proletariat level. I have never spoken to a biz owner whose first complaint not is quality of labor, or more like trying to get labor. I hear some companies have eliminated drug testing so they can actually hire bodies.
So if he wants to deport millions of people who get up every am and actually show up for work sober, then who is going to fill these spots? lazy dope head white kids who work for 2 days and then dont show up for work? Thats the case atleast in Oregon. Trump is talking about imposing high tariffs to drive manufacturing back home so we are talking about the level of worker I just mentioned. I know robots will displace some people but not all in the myriad of industry. Who is going to cut up your beef so you can buy steaks at your market?
TRUTH !!!
Having run a residential house building business for a dozen years , previous to that 8 years on offshore drilling rigs.
This country is slam full of lazy little pusscakes pampered by mommie. And it isn't a new thing , i saw 25 year old wimpy crybabies literally cry and tell me that they have to go home. Then i go tell the ToolPusher that the company sent us another crybaby that has quit the job.
Tarriff's ? time will tell.
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Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
There is better money in AG finance than there is in selling tractors.


When it comes to food....tariffs don't seem to help the consumer or the producer.

Cargill and Bayer and Tyson win big.



Not sure where you are going, but I'll tell you a story.


A close Rednck friend has a high position in a huge telecommunications company.
One evening he was sitting at a table with a bunch of co workers, and manufacturing going off shore came up.
All educated, white collar, office types, but one guy.
They were saying how it was no big deal to lose manufacturing. (None ever had dirty hands, or family who did) How we are now a service economy.

He couldn't take it anymore.
"Explain to me where the money comes from inI your service economy."

They laughed at him.
"Wellllll, I do work for you, so you pay me. Tom works for me......You do something for Tom." Chessie Cat smug, looking at this dumbass.


"OK. I see.............How about when I buy my next Toyota? And $30,000 of our dollars leave? I spend $2000 on fuel? And it goes to Shell and Saudi Arabia? And you all do it too? Our TVs, computers.......Everytime we buy something, that money goes to the country that produced it.
Producing products is literally producing value, measured in dollars. Dollars produced. And we will not be producing them. We are sending them overseas. Dont we reach a point where there are fewer dollars in this country to pass around? "


It got quiet at the table for awhile.


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Originally Posted by Tesoro
Sometimes I wonder if Trump is a bit out of touch with what is going on on the proletariat level. I have never spoken to a biz owner whose first complaint not is quality of labor, or more like trying to get labor. I hear some companies have eliminated drug testing so they can actually hire bodies.
So if he wants to deport millions of people who get up every am and actually show up for work sober, then who is going to fill these spots? lazy dope head white kids who work for 2 days and then dont show up for work? Thats the case atleast in Oregon. Trump is talking about imposing high tariffs to drive manufacturing back home so we are talking about the level of worker I just mentioned. I know robots will displace some people but not all in the myriad of industry. Who is going to cut up your beef so you can buy steaks at your market?

Is showing up to work include taking over apt. buildings , terrorizing the tenants , selling drugs ,smuggling children to be sold for the sex trade ? How about taking jobs away from legal immigrants and blacks ?


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You guys are gonna suddenly forget about prices?


Originally Posted by RiverRider
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
So...we should add tariffs instead of going more towards a free market?


Let's look at that a little closer. So, when the American worker---through "free trade"---is pitted against Chinese slave labor making $2 per hour (just a guess---could be more, could be less) is that really free trade?

IMO the USA should exercise free trade more in a more judicious manner and only with countries where the worker is not subjected to economic oppression.

I believe that to be more of a function of Wall Street and the big banks.


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I just hope osb doesn't go back up to $90 a sheet. I'm glad he's willing to used terrifs as a negotiation tool. Other countries have been completely unfair in their trade practices for too long. Reducing government spending and reporting 10 million illegals will get prices down even with tariffs.

It's hard to compete with allthe food stampers at the grocery store. I'm glad we don't by much soda because the food stampers clean that aisle out.

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It ASTOUNDS me how little young people know, our education system has really dumbed them down, but how I put it to young people, is like this..

If you have a company that you moved to China, to take advantage of cheap labor, and now America now wipes out that cheap labor advantage by adding a tariff, you can raise your prices to cover said tariff, you will now sell less product.
So basically you are now faced with a choice, stay in China, take advantage of the cheap labor, but raise the price of your goods, or bring your company back to America and raise your prices to cover increased labor costs and avoid the shipping costs to get your goods from China to America. You may lose some profit, but America gains jobs, and you save in shipping and no longer help China build their military that will someday be aimed at our sons.






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Oh yeah....they will gladly lose profits to benefit the workers....


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The number one thing driving up prices is, and will continue to be, the devaluation of the US dollar.

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Originally Posted by Barkoff
It ASTOUNDS me how little young people know, our education system has really dumbed them down, but how I put it to young people, is like this..

If you have a company that you moved to China, to take advantage of cheap labor, and now America now wipes out that cheap labor advantage by adding a tariff, you can raise your prices to cover said tariff, you will now sell less product.
So basically you are now faced with a choice, stay in China, take advantage of the cheap labor, but raise the price of your goods, or bring your company back to America and raise your prices to cover increased labor costs and avoid the shipping costs to get your goods from China to America. You may lose some profit, but America gains jobs, and you save in shipping and no longer help China build their military that will someday be aimed at our sons.
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What we have now is anything but a "free market". We get tariffs on our goods going out, but very few goods coming in are taxed the same. For some reason, years ago our politicians thought it would be a good idea to flood our markets with foreign goods, with no restrictions but let those same countries restrict our goods going to them. This needs to stop.

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