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I guess that makes quite a bit of sense. I am damn sure far from flush with cash, but I would much rather wait for the right deal on a used gun of good quality to come along. I bought a Henry a few years ago because I tried be cheap and impatient, hated it immediately, and sent it down the road. Luckily, a little patience and attention, and a series of 39s showed up. Finally, a gorgeous 39M showed up at the local pawn shop for less than $500.

Black heart, please take the time to fully read something before you answer, my reference to the Ithaca 49 was because of the original post saying that Savage was bringing back the lever gun they stole from Ithaca - that gun was a copy of the single shot Model 49 and not the Model 72 and has nothing to do with their new offering, that's why it was mentioned. The old Savage was not a copy the Model 72 and if you look at the parts list for the Savage/Springfield guns that I posted you should be able to figure that out.

Also look at the parts diagrams again, the bolts for the Henry's and the Savage look exactly the same and the other internal parts all look to be the same design. My assessment still is that internally they work the same with very little difference and that the Savage is based on the same old Erma design as is the Henry. If you look close at the front of the lever they all have a pin to operate the locking arm and operate the slide the same manner. I don't know what you're seeing that is of major difference on how the actions work. It is definitely not an exact copy, but to me the basics of how the action works appears to be the same as the old design that has prove to be very reliable.

I also don't understand your including a comparison of the shotguns, The Ithaca 37 was a copy of the John Browning designed Remington Model 17, the internals of the Browning BPS are quite different, including the way the action locks up, so no, I would not say they were based on the same design.

I guess it's a matter of personal experience. I splurged and bought a brand new 39A that didn't live up to my accuracy standards years ago. After testing every brand and type of LR ammo I could get my hands on and finding nothing that would consistently group 5 shots under an inch at 50 yards I sold it. This was very disappointing as I also had a Marlin model 880 bolt action and a Marlin model 989M2 semi auto that didn't cost half as much and they both easily beat that accuracy standard by a substantial margin with multiple types of ammo. Many years later I got a Henry .22 mag. and am quite pleased with it's accuracy. It will consistently group 5 shots under an inch at 75 yards which is better than I was expecting from a lever action.22 magnum. Only accurate rifles are interesting to me so I'll take a rifle that groups under an inch at 75 yards over one that can't group an inch at 50 any day.

I have accurate rifles, and I have rifles I like...sometimes the stars align and the two are the same. Everyone is different, for sure. For me, I would much rather have a rifle that I like that shoots "good enough," than a tack driver I can't stand. In my experience, my 50 year old Marlin 39M has never not been accurate "enough," but I have never cared enough to shoot it off the bench any more than needed to verify zero.

I think it's you who needs to take the time to fully read something before responding. RAM clearly stated Savage was bringing back the lever rifle they stole from Ithaca back in the 70's that was MADE BY ERMA. That was NOT the model 49 but the model 72 Saddlegun. The 49 was not made by Erma and where the hell would you expect Savage to have the bolt lock up on their new rimfire ? Without even looking I'd bet the bolt locks up/operates similarly on the new rimfire levers from Winchester and Rossi too. Did Savage borrow from the design of the Henry/Erma ? Probably so but there are substantial differences and the Savage is far from a copy of the Henry/Erma as RAM stated.

Not that Henry. Do you read contex ?

you looked at them side by side? You hungry?
cuz you'll be eating.crow.

what a maroon!

While Savage/Springfeild offered the martini action 49 a number of years, Savage offered the 72 repeater under the Lakefeild banner just shy of 2 years.

Not hardly jackass. If you can't see any difference you're as blind as you are stupid.

Ithaca/Erma/Lakfeild/Henry breaks down via 4 opposed screws. Exposing a cast aluminum action body.
The new Turk Savage drilled thru those screws and replaced with 2 pull pins.

More false information. You don't even know where the new Savage is made when it's been stated more than once right here in this thread. Tell me, do you take stupid pills every morning when you get up or was it eating paint chips as a toddler that caused your retardation ?

I tried to find a reference to those, were they just sold in Canada? A history of COOEY says Savage didn't acquire the Lakefield facility until 1995 and only mentions the production of the Model 64 semi-auto - nothing about a lever action of any kind.
/cooey-canadas-gunmaker/
Could you share your source for this and maybe some pictures of one? They have to be scarce.

more hollow lies

They are more scares than facts on this board.
Its supoosed to be for sharing info and growing knowlege. Instead a few Joys and Whoopies think its their own personal The View.

Cooey was tied to Winchester. Lakefeild to Savage , Lakfeild did not Manufacture 72's they were importers of Erma Product same as Ithaca.

https://savagearms.com/content/revel

Go here, pictures prove it all. Screws moved up , to keep action block with upper and former attachment screw locations become 2 pull pins for takedown.

Wow! That is ugly.

You're just too damned stupid to see that the Henry uses a one piece receiver that contains the entire fire control mechanism and lower tang with a receiver cover that includes the upper tang while the Savage uses a two piece receiver, the lower portion of which includes both the upper and lower tang as well as the lever, hammer and crossbolt safety plus a receiver cover. They are very different to anybody who isn't an imbecile.

Agreed, so Savage did not market or make a lever action repeater as you originally suggested? That's what I am finding, the only lever action 22's associated with Savage were copies of the Ithaca Model 49 single shots, from what I can find they never marketed a repeater until now.

I agree that there are major differences, I never tried to suggest otherwise, I just said it was based and developed from the Erma design using the same bolt, lever and locking design.

If you strip off the outside I think the Revel inner workings will be very close to the the original Erma design -

For the pump's they just took off the lever and connected a slide arm to it. This type of bolt locking goes back to the mid-1800's when one similar was used on a true hammerless leveraction 16 Gauge shotgun. Can anyone guess what it was? I don't think a bolt lockup like this has been used in any other designs. It's proven to be good for 22's.

i wish someone would make a lever 22 LR with a Ruger 10-22 magazine/clip rifle , would be a little handier to load and unload.