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I just refreshed my Google info on Leupold.

They're now into their 5th Gen with annual sales of $260 Mil.

If a company is valued at 8-10 times annual revenue, then they're worth up to $2.6 Billion.

I'd say that's a fairly well to do family.

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Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
I just refreshed my Google info on Leupold.

They're now into their 5th Gen with annual sales of $260 Mil.

If a company is valued at 8-10 times annual revenue, then they're worth up to $2.6 Billion.

I'd say that's a fairly well to do family.

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They would never get a multiple that high, not enough growth to justify it. I would say 2x, Maybe 3x at most. Look at what Vista Outdoor just did, unloaded Federal, Remington, CCI to Czech company CSG. All cash deal, but their stock still took a 25% hit as revenue goes down by sale price amount.

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It would be interesting to see the top 5 or 10 optics companies ranked by revenue. Anybody have that type of info?


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Originally Posted by cotis
Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
I just refreshed my Google info on Leupold.

They're now into their 5th Gen with annual sales of $260 Mil.

If a company is valued at 8-10 times annual revenue, then they're worth up to $2.6 Billion.

I'd say that's a fairly well to do family.

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They would never get a multiple that high, not enough growth to justify it. I would say 2x, Maybe 3x at most. Look at what Vista Outdoor just did, unloaded Federal, Remington, CCI to Czech company CSG. All cash deal, but their stock still took a 25% hit as revenue goes down by sale price amount.
Well even $750+ mil isn’t chump change.

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My vx-3 is a PITA to level. The bottom flat of the scope isn't square to the turret mechanism, which isn't square to the reticle, which means there's no external indicators for leveling. Have to use the flashlight thru the scope on the wall trick to level the reticle because I can't stand it being crooked.

Sent it back to Leupold once and they said it was all within their specs...it was my first/last new leupold as I guess that's the best they can do for $430.

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KHart,

The amount of money spent on the scope doesn't factor into the equation. Leupold can't even get it right on a $1,300+ scope like the VX-6 either.

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Originally Posted by FOsteology
KHart,

The amount of money spent on the scope doesn't factor into the equation. Leupold can't even get it right on a $1,300+ scope like the VX-6 either.
Yeah, one would think the high dollar ones would be a bit more carefully examined, have a higher QC standard. Guess not.

But, if ya don’t have a problem, all that may not be needed.

Problem with the ostrich, when his head’s in the sand and he feels so secure, his butt is in the air, exposed to the elements. That may be an analogy of Leupold thinking. While they feel so righteous and virtuous (like most libs), their rear end is exposed. We see it, they don’t. Not with their head in the sand.

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Originally Posted by KHart
My vx-3 is a PITA to level. The bottom flat of the scope isn't square to the turret mechanism, which isn't square to the reticle, which means there's no external indicators for leveling. Have to use the flashlight thru the scope on the wall trick to level the reticle because I can't stand it being crooked.

Sent it back to Leupold once and they said it was all within their specs...it was my first/last new leupold as I guess that's the best they can do for $430.

On some models the bottom flat is not square. That is just the design. Not meant to be horizontal, and for some reason, they angled it.
Easiest thing is a reticle leveler sitting on the scope mount base.

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Originally Posted by FOsteology
KHart,

The amount of money spent on the scope doesn't factor into the equation. Leupold can't even get it right on a $1,300+ scope like the VX-6 either.


Yup, that's pretty bad. This is a set-it-and-forget-it scope, so I just level the reticle and deal with the internals being crooked because I'll never touch them. But if I'm spending any more than that, it would be for the ability to dial and there's no way I'd put up with it.

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Originally Posted by KenMi
Originally Posted by KHart
My vx-3 is a PITA to level. The bottom flat of the scope isn't square to the turret mechanism, which isn't square to the reticle, which means there's no external indicators for leveling. Have to use the flashlight thru the scope on the wall trick to level the reticle because I can't stand it being crooked.

Sent it back to Leupold once and they said it was all within their specs...it was my first/last new leupold as I guess that's the best they can do for $430.

On some models the bottom flat is not square. That is just the design. Not meant to be horizontal, and for some reason, they angled it.
Easiest thing is a reticle leveler sitting on the scope mount base.

That's what they told me as well, and I told them it was a silly design choice.

Unfortunately the only way to truly level the reticle other than eyeball it is to level the rifle, draw a plum line on a sheet of paper taped to the wall, then shine a light through the objective and project the crosshair onto the paper and line it up.

There's no way I'd ever waste my money on a CDS version knowing there's a better-than-not chance that to get the scope to track level with the earth, you'd need to deal with a crooked reticle!

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Originally Posted by KHart
Originally Posted by KenMi
Originally Posted by KHart
My vx-3 is a PITA to level. The bottom flat of the scope isn't square to the turret mechanism, which isn't square to the reticle, which means there's no external indicators for leveling. Have to use the flashlight thru the scope on the wall trick to level the reticle because I can't stand it being crooked.

Sent it back to Leupold once and they said it was all within their specs...it was my first/last new leupold as I guess that's the best they can do for $430.

On some models the bottom flat is not square. That is just the design. Not meant to be horizontal, and for some reason, they angled it.
Easiest thing is a reticle leveler sitting on the scope mount base.

That's what they told me as well, and I told them it was a silly design choice.

Unfortunately the only way to truly level the reticle other than eyeball it is to level the rifle, draw a plum line on a sheet of paper taped to the wall, then shine a light through the objective and project the crosshair onto the paper and line it up.

There's no way I'd ever waste my money on a CDS version knowing there's a better-than-not chance that to get the scope to track level with the earth, you'd need to deal with a crooked reticle!
They don't have a problem.

It's just us Deplorables who squawk and complain way too much...

Just ask'em...

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I have ancient Leupolds like the 4X -3X on pre-64 Model 70s. Also have Lyman and Leupold Alaskans that nails go to learn to be tougher...

BUT, if any problems on variable scopes-they don't fix the slightly older ones-want to send you a new POS. Not good...hope my ancient fixed scopes stay healthy.


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