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Originally Posted by Q_Sertorius
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I’ll stick with my ELDM’s. I prefer a bullet that sheds weight and dumps energy into the animal over one that retains weight and punches deep, or exits with much of its energy remaining.

Energy “dump” is irrelevant. The bullet kills by penetrating to the vitals and damaging them. It doesn’t kill by energy transfer.

You sir, have been misguided or fed half truths. Here is an article from Nathan Foster, the worlds leading terminal ballistics expert, that you should give a read:
https://www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/Effective+Game+Killing.html


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Originally Posted by Guffawk
Originally Posted by Q_Sertorius
Originally Posted by Guffawk
I’ll stick with my ELDM’s. I prefer a bullet that sheds weight and dumps energy into the animal over one that retains weight and punches deep, or exits with much of its energy remaining.

Energy “dump” is irrelevant. The bullet kills by penetrating to the vitals and damaging them. It doesn’t kill by energy transfer.

You sir, have been misguided or fed half truths. Here is an article from Nathan Foster, the worlds leading terminal ballistics expert, that you should give a read:
https://www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/Effective+Game+Killing.html

Funny post. Expanding bullets that hold a good percentage of their weight also transfer energy. As for your Hero Foster well you can hold his hand if you want. My own personal testing which is pretty extensive has shown that controlled expanding bullets perform better over a wider range of circumstances than bullets that fly apart. In general they also deposit less lead particulate in said animal.


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From your own article:

A projectile kills by causing either one or a combination of the following:

1. Blood loss.
2. Damage to the nervous system.
3. Destruction of vital tissue and organs.
4. Septicemia or asphyxiation.

Each causing the effect that life can no longer be sustained.

The only thing which could be construed as causing death by energy transfer is hydraulic shock or the controversial idea of hydrostatic shock, which generally seems to occur when a large enough mass going fast enough passes through a body. But hydraulic shock and hydrostatic shock occurs whether the bullet passes straight through the body or remains within it. “Energy dump” is not a “thing.”

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Originally Posted by Q_Sertorius
From your own article:

A projectile kills by causing either one or a combination of the following:

1. Blood loss.
2. Damage to the nervous system.
3. Destruction of vital tissue and organs.
4. Septicemia or asphyxiation.

Each causing the effect that life can no longer be sustained.

The only thing which could be construed as causing death by energy transfer is hydraulic shock or the controversial idea of hydrostatic shock, which generally seems to occur when a large enough mass going fast enough passes through a body. But hydraulic shock and hydrostatic shock occurs whether the bullet passes straight through the body or remains within it. “Energy dump” is not a “thing.”

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Well, a single data point, but here it is. It was nice to do this on Thanksgiving, and it’s my first whitetail. Broadside at 50 yards. The buck just folded. You can see the spray on the ground, so a pass through. The second picture is the exit hole. The heart and lungs were soup. It works up close and I presume it held together because of the size of the exit.

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Originally Posted by Condition Yellow
Well, a single data point, but here it is. It was nice to do this on Thanksgiving, and it’s my first whitetail. Broadside at 50 yards. The buck just folded. You can see the spray on the ground, so a pass through. The second picture is the exit hole. The heart and lungs were soup. It works up close and I presume it held together because of the size of the exit.

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Looks like they worked well. Congratulations

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Great shot, congrats on the buck! You done great.


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Isn’t the Solid Base the precursor to the Ballistic Tip?

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Gotta bunch of old skool solid bases in 270 not a bad bullet👍

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Originally Posted by Gooch_McGrundle
Isn’t the Solid Base the precursor to the Ballistic Tip?

I'm remembering the solid base from the 80's as tougher than the original ballistic tips.

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