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I reached out to them yesterday,regarding the particulars of final assembly of their Spotting Scopes and the query was dodged,with a copy/paste of Ad Copy. Hint.
Just sayin'...............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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To MD's point: I understand that the whole sentiment is equivocal, but, for me, there's a distinction between offering globally sourced product under a more arbitrary or family name, etc, vs offering the same or similar product under a geographically derived name that was deliberately selected to evoke feelings/expectations developed over time due to the production quality an area or region has gained a well earned reputation for. Well said. I agree 100%. The reality is they already have the stupid name, the corporation is there, and the name is here to stay. Nothing about the idiotic name is going to change, however, they do make excellent products priced below the competition, offer a lifetime no fault warranty, have great customer service and their USA office is in VA. Let's get past the stupidity of the name and take a moment to look at their products as they make some great optics
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To MD's point: I understand that the whole sentiment is equivocal, but, for me, there's a distinction between offering globally sourced product under a more arbitrary or family name, etc, vs offering the same or similar product under a geographically derived name that was deliberately selected to evoke feelings/expectations developed over time due to the production quality an area or region has gained a well earned reputation for. Well said. I agree 100%. The reality is they already have the stupid name, the corporation is there, and the name is here to stay. Nothing about the idiotic name is going to change, however, they do make excellent products priced below the competition, offer a lifetime no fault warranty, have great customer service and their USA office is in VA. Let's get past the stupidity of the name and take a moment to look at their products as they make some great optics My buddy has a passion 3x 6-18x50 that he mounted on his 204. After mounting it the gun vise was not tight enough and by his own mistake, the rifle flipped upside down and fell out of the vise landing in the elevation and screwed it up beyond repair. He called their CS and was up front with what happened. They were extremely nice and understanding, sent him a shipping label and I believe he had the new scope before they received his damaged one. I’ll agree with Doug that they have great customer service and warranty if you have to use it.
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To MD's point: I understand that the whole sentiment is equivocal, but, for me, there's a distinction between offering globally sourced product under a more arbitrary or family name, etc, vs offering the same or similar product under a geographically derived name that was deliberately selected to evoke feelings/expectations developed over time due to the production quality an area or region has gained a well earned reputation for. Well said. I agree 100%. The reality is they already have the stupid name, the corporation is there, and the name is here to stay. Nothing about the idiotic name is going to change, however, they do make excellent products priced below the competition, offer a lifetime no fault warranty, have great customer service and their USA office is in VA. Let's get past the stupidity of the name and take a moment to look at their products as they make some great optics Roger that. Where in THE fhuqk,are their Spotters made/assembled? I'd Post the email,but it's so fhuqking greasy,that'd cost some serious Sales. Obliged.................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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To MD's point: I understand that the whole sentiment is equivocal, but, for me, there's a distinction between offering globally sourced product under a more arbitrary or family name, etc, vs offering the same or similar product under a geographically derived name that was deliberately selected to evoke feelings/expectations developed over time due to the production quality an area or region has gained a well earned reputation for. Well said. I agree 100%. The reality is they already have the stupid name, the corporation is there, and the name is here to stay. Nothing about the idiotic name is going to change, however, they do make excellent products priced below the competition, offer a lifetime no fault warranty, have great customer service and their USA office is in VA. Let's get past the stupidity of the name and take a moment to look at their products as they make some great optics Roger that. Where in THE fhuqk,are their Spotters made/assembled? I'd Post the email,but it's so fhuqking greasy,that'd cost some serious Sales. Obliged................. Their TS100 Reticle Spotting Scope is assembled in China
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Doug,
How much if any, have you delt with there service?
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The location was more than OBVIOUS to me,given the amount of lubrication they applied,to circumvent that simplistic fact. Perhaps nudge them,to simply shoot straight and quit fhuqking around,before it's WAY too late. Hint.
Honesty is a BEST Seller. Hint.
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Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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Doug,
How much if any, have you delt with there service?
dave The few times we've had to work with their customer service they've been very responsive and helpful.
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Which ones are made in China so they can be avoided? The binoculars were their Terra ED 10x42s. They were pretty good optically, but not as good as the Japan-made spotting scope, which as I recall was made by Light Optical Works--which has been making optics for a bunch of different companies since the 1950s. Thanks. I put a Zeiss straight 4x Conquest on my wife's rifle but took it off when our daughter started using it and put on a more powerful scope because daughter had trouble seeing small antlers (spikes) at 300 yards when we were doe hunting. My wife was not happy, so I promised to keep the scope. I offered to trade it for one of mine which she refused. Correct me if I am wrong but I believe the Conquest is US assembled at least.
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Yep!
But have previously noted that I knew one of GPO's founders before the company started up. He knew the hunting optics business very well, partly because his parents owned a big sporting goods store in Phoenix. When I met him, he was the sales manager/PR person for an American company that imported two different lines of well-regarded European optics. Consequently he knew how the business worked, including all the latest trends, such as Zeiss having much of their stuff made in Asia.
While GPO's name can be considered somewhat deceptive, it also might be regarded as smart marketing--which is a MAJOR part of the recent trends in hunting optics.
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As cited prior: "Honesty is a BEST Seller.". Hint.
While Joe Average reliably IS dumber than fhuqk,there's some who can smell bullschit a fhuqking mile away. Spraying Lysol,don't sweeten the pot,or close. Hint.
Kudos to both Arken and Athlon for shooting fhuqking STRAIGHT and right out of the fhuqking gate,less ANY smoke or mirrors. Reupold should have looonnngggggggg been taking fhuqking notes AND applying same. Hint.
Just sayin'.............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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marketing is marketing like it or not....
I guess arkenopticsusa.com could be considered misleading also to some could it not
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Fresh info. Cheers.
On Wed, Dec 4, 2024 at 7:52 PM XXXXX WROTE
Hi, are all of your sport optics manufactured and assembled in China?
No. We work with the same global service optical network all companies work with. We have assembly work done in China on some, Japan and the Philippians on others.
Electronics and parts are purchased in Germany.
All items after assembly return to Germany for hand inspection and final work done by our German Engineers.
Hope this helps.
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As mentioned,Joe Average ain't very fhuqking bright. Hint.
I've got a "few" Arken wares and have yet to stumble across Ad Copy,that differentiates from how the Optic is marked(am waiting on more to arrive in Mail). Reupold KNOWS better,than to mark schit same and it's THE fhuqking thinnest of ruses. Hint.
Just sayin'...............
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I don't mind the GPO so much.
But who names a product ..... Passion.....
Really.
Sounds like something I'd pick up at Victoria's secret. Like panties or some such.Instead of something I'd use to put a bullet through a deer's chest with....
Only accurate rifles are interesting.
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German Planned Optics,would start the healing process. Hint.
Winds laid down,barely blowing 40 now...gotta shoot some new wares and see WTF. Hint.
Just sayin'............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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I don't mind the GPO so much.
But who names a product ..... Passion.....
Really.
Sounds like something I'd pick up at Victoria's secret. Like panties or some such.Instead of something I'd use to put a bullet through a deer's chest with.... Don't do a search for Passion HD alone when looking for their stuff... 
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Its Not just optics…
Was looking at the hunting clothes that were having 50% BF sales…
Some made in china…
Nowhere does in list COO. No “ proudly made in china “ stickers…
Be alot easier if makers, and vendors would list COO.
Like now, looked at the Sig Zulu8 binos online, Sig doesnt list where made, no online vendor ive seen lists where made…. Fugggg…
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I just got a passion 4x12x42, waiting on the rifle it is going on to try. Looking through it so far looks good. Neil at Camera Land thought a lot of bang for the buck. I am a set it and forget it, and shoot the deer user. I don't ned to dial and zero stop and have super high BC fast twist bullets to kill deer at 200 yards or less.
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